change.org petition against Con Edison's exorbitant delivery charges

[mathjak107]

Tracing the line as far as I could it looks like phone where it goes in to a house. It looks like a telco splice box.

Power usually has big insulators up on the pole as well as every few homes a transformer on the pole

[BlakeJones]

Originally Posted by mathjak107

Those may not be power lines , I can’t tell from the photo but initially they look like phone

I don't know what they are, but I do know the overhead poles and cables are all over woodside, and during Sandy they were all over the road and some started fires

[mathjak107]

They are not power…. They are phone and not high voltage at all

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by mathjak107

Transmission equipment costs are insanely expensive ..especially because most of con Ed’s network is protected under ground …most of us don’t lose power like Long Island every time we have a non major storm …

Don’t forget we have issues unique to our area .


For one thing excess power generated gets sold on the grid and never goes to waste ….but most 24/7 manufacturers are gone here unlike other areas and so distribution capacity sits idle for a major portion of the day ..


So distribution costs and maintenance far exceed generation costs.

Distribution has always been an expensive business

It'll be interesting to see if small and utility scale stationary storage solutions end up making a dent in this. Battery costs, energy densities, and manufacturing capacity have been seeing massive improvements and it's getting into the territory where this might be the best way to even out supply and demand imbalances for electricity.

Originally Posted by BlakeJones

I don't know what they are, but I do know the overhead poles and cables are all over woodside, and during Sandy they were all over the road and some started fires

If you don't know what they are, then how are you saying that "with 100% certainty the above map is materially incorrect"? How has this board become so filled with knuckleheads who speak so confidently but don't even have basic knowledge about what they're saying?

If you see lines running directly into the house overhead from streetside poles on thinner gauge wire, then it's unlikely to be power lines and much more likely to be telecom lines. When it's overhead transmission lines for power, the last mile connection to the house can be underground but that map doesn't seem to be counting that as underground network areas.

Where that map may have inaccuracies would have more to do with it being from 2013 as it's possible there was some resilience work in the wake of Sandy which makes sense given the source of that map.

Infrastructure is expensive and needs maintenance. NYC generates a ton of revenue, but a good chunk of it supposedly for public goods like infrastructure goes to the federal level as revenue and then relatively little of it comes back as federal spending for things like infrastructure projects (there's a smaller example of this with downstate to upstate state revenue transfers). The more productive states have had incredible imbalances of federal revenue to federal spending for very long amounts of time and NYS has one of if not the worst imbalances among states.

[BlakeJones]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

It'll be interesting to see if small and utility scale stationary storage solutions end up making a dent in this. Battery costs, energy densities, and manufacturing capacity have been seeing massive improvements and it's getting into the territory where this might be the best way to even out supply and demand imbalances for electricity.






If you don't know what they are, then how are you saying that "with 100% certainty the above map is materially incorrect"? How has this board become so filled with knuckleheads who speak so confidently but don't even have basic knowledge about what they're saying?

If you see lines running directly into the house overhead from streetside poles on thinner gauge wire, then it's unlikely to be power lines and much more likely to be telecom lines. When it's overhead transmission lines for power, the last mile connection to the house can be underground but that map doesn't seem to be counting that as underground network areas.

Where that map may have inaccuracies would have more to do with it being from 2013 as it's possible there was some resilience work in the wake of Sandy which makes sense given the source of that map.

Infrastructure is expensive and needs maintenance. NYC generates a ton of revenue, but a good chunk of it supposedly for public goods like infrastructure goes to the federal level as revenue and then relatively little of it comes back as federal spending for things like infrastructure projects (there's a smaller example of this with downstate to upstate state revenue transfers). The more productive states have had incredible imbalances of federal revenue to federal spending for very long amounts of time and NYS has one of if not the worst imbalances among states.

Now you have me wanting to look at manhole covers

[DreamerD]

[/b]OTE=OyCrumbler;61343869]It'll be interesting to see if small and utility scale stationary storage solutions end up making a dent in this. Battery costs, energy densities, and manufacturing capacity have been seeing massive improvements and it's getting into the territory where this might be the best way to even out supply and demand imbalances for electricity.






If you don't know what they are, then how are you saying that "with 100% certainty the above map is materially incorrect"? How has this board become so filled with knuckleheads who speak so confidently but don't even have basic knowledge about what they're saying?

If you see lines running directly into the house overhead from streetside poles on thinner gauge wire, then it's unlikely to be power lines and much more likely to be telecom lines. When it's overhead transmission lines for power, the last mile connection to the house can be underground but that map doesn't seem to be counting that as underground network areas.

Where that map may have inaccuracies would have more to do with it being from 2013 as it's possible there was some resilience work in the wake of Sandy which makes sense given the source of that map.

Infrastructure is expensive and needs maintenance. NYC generates a ton of revenue, but a good chunk of it supposedly for public goods like infrastructure goes to the federal level as revenue and then relatively little of it comes back as federal spending for things like infrastructure projects (there's a smaller example of this with downstate to upstate state revenue transfers). The more productive states have had incredible imbalances of federal revenue to federal spending for very long amounts of time and NYS has one of if not the worst imbalances among states.[/QUOTE]
X100 on the last paragraph.