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Old 08-09-2021, 01:24 PM
 
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From NYS DOL website:

You may be eligible for benefits if:
You lost your job due to lack of work
The temporary or seasonal employment ended
Your job was eliminated
There was an involuntary reduction in force
The company downsized or shut down
The company restructured or reorganized
There was a lack of company operating funds/orders
You were out of work for any other business reason that you did not choose or control
Your employer discharged or fired you because you could not meet their performance or production standards, or their qualifications for the job

You may be denied benefits if you:
Were fired because you violated a company policy, rule or procedure, such as absenteeism or insubordination
Quit your job without good cause, such as a compelling personal reason
Are out of work because of a work stoppage (except for lockouts) in the last 14 days that violated an existing collective bargaining agreement where you worked (You need not actually take part in the strike, only be out of work because of it.)

https://dol.ny.gov/you-apply-unemplo...sked-questions

I wonder what they tell the unemployment people then

Lol at the end of the day everybody has a hand in it, it feels like. If it's that easy to quit your job and get unemployment, then who's fault is that

But all of this is irrelevant. The wages don't match the rent. When I was in college (early 2000s), I was making like $20-$25K a year as a clerk working full-time. So $25K thats about $500 a week gross, like $350 after taxes. At the time, I could have easily afforded a studio apartment for $600-$800. It wouldn't have been the best but I would have been able to afford it as a single person. Now adjusted for inflation, that $25K is now $37K, but the rent is double. The wages didn't double though. So at the end of the day all of this is just entertainment.
Quitting your job due to fear of contracting COVID was a valid reason to collect UI. So was leaving due to lack of childcare with schools being closed.

Even during normal times, very few get denied UI even amongst those who willingly quit. In the end it's he said, she said and the state tends to aide with employees (which I agree with in th case of UI benefits).
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Old 08-09-2021, 01:56 PM
 
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Quitting your job due to fear of contracting COVID was a valid reason to collect UI. So was leaving due to lack of childcare with schools being closed.

Even during normal times, very few get denied UI even amongst those who willingly quit. In the end it's he said, she said and the state tends to aide with employees (which I agree with in th case of UI benefits).
So then that's a legitimate fear then, I would say

That definitely paints a different picture than "I'm simply lazy and just staying home to collect checks," which is what the C-D "media" is reporting.
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Old 08-09-2021, 02:34 PM
 
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OP what’s the update?
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Old 08-09-2021, 03:35 PM
 
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So then that's a legitimate fear then, I would say

That definitely paints a different picture than "I'm simply lazy and just staying home to collect checks," which is what the C-D "media" is reporting.
Legitimate in some cases and not in others. More legitimate during the early months of the pandemic and less legitimate as time went on.

There definitely is a contingent that made the rationale decision that staying home was the better option either because they made more staying home or they made slightly less but the opportunity cost was worth it.

Pretending that that cohort doesn't exist, especially after widespread vaccine availability, us disingenuous.

If I could stay home for 50% of my salary, I'd quit on the spot. That's what many did.
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Old 08-09-2021, 03:41 PM
 
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Legitimate in some cases and not in others. More legitimate during the early months of the pandemic and less legitimate as time went on.

There definitely is a contingent that made the rationale decision that staying home was the better option either because they made more staying home or they made slightly less but the opportunity cost was worth it.

Pretending that that cohort doesn't exist, especially after widespread vaccine availability, us disingenuous.

If I could stay home for 50% of my salary, I'd quit on the spot. That's what many did.
I hear you but if the NYS DOL is accepting fear of Covid as a legitimate excuse, then they have to either honor it or investigate it. If it wasn't that easy to just quit, many wouldn't have done it.

Its alright anyway, we'll see what happens next month without the fed boost
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Old 08-09-2021, 03:42 PM
 
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So then that's a legitimate fear then, I would say

That definitely paints a different picture than "I'm simply lazy and just staying home to collect checks," which is what the C-D "media" is reporting.
The guy who worked at fedex showed up without a mask. I gave the him one. He said he had no kids (everyone living in the apartmemt) must be listed on the lease
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Old 08-09-2021, 03:45 PM
 
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I hear you but if the NYS DOL is accepting fear of Covid as a legitimate excuse, then they have to either honor it or investigate it. If it wasn't that easy to just quit, many wouldn't have done it.

Its alright anyway, we'll see what happens next month without the fed boost
Many people have beaten the system and continue to do so. This is why people living in NYCHA could have collected hundreds of thousand for a pandemic no payback loan for none existent business


Anyone with common sense would know to qualify for NYCHA your income must be under a certain amount so it would be highly unlikely that a NYCHA resident would be running a multi million dollar business.

Somehow that application and many fraudulent one like it were approved.

So the "requirement" are one thing to get unemployment people who didnt even havr a job filed for unemployment and got it
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Old 08-09-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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Many people have beaten the system and continue to do so. This is why people living in NYCHA could have collected hundreds of thousand for a pandemic no payback loan for none existent business


Anyone with common sense would know to qualify for NYCHA your income must be under a certain amount so it would be highly unlikely that a NYCHA resident would be running a multi million dollar business.

Somehow that application and many fraudulent one like it were approved.

So the "requirement" are one thing to get unemployment people who didnt even havr a job filed for unemployment and got it
I bolded a key word in your post.
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Old 08-09-2021, 06:18 PM
 
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Unemployment income is not welfare. It is a tax paid into by workers and their employers if under W2. Do some people draw more benefits on it than they paid in? Of course! But that is the nature of insurance.
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Old 08-10-2021, 07:03 AM
 
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Unemployment income is not welfare. It is a tax paid into by workers and their employers if under W2. Do some people draw more benefits on it than they paid in? Of course! But that is the nature of insurance.
Yes, that is true. But today, it's has become more of the question being do you want to return to work, and earn an honest living, or are you going to latch on to unemployment until the well runs dry?? The government has made unemployment payments more attractive than working.
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