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Old 09-04-2021, 12:04 PM
 
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Dont know if many of you remember the city cleaned out all the sewer drains after Sandy. I remember the cleaned out all of them, pulling out bikes,tires,tree branches, etc.

So, can we blame clogged up sewers, or just way too much rain per hour?
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Old 09-04-2021, 12:29 PM
 
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My building got flooded in the basement. If say too much rain. Too fast
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Old 09-04-2021, 01:15 PM
 
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Are any storm drains 'missing'? Where I am didnt flood - not for lack of trying, but I know many storm drains have been covered over and water pools in those locations.
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Old 09-04-2021, 01:32 PM
 
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Too much rain too quickly. My drain is right by the back door. The pump did not even help my neighbor.
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Old 09-04-2021, 01:40 PM
 
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Places like Williamsburg have always flooded. There are a couple places in Gravesend that are like that too.
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Old 09-04-2021, 02:58 PM
 
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Dont know if many of you remember the city cleaned out all the sewer drains after Sandy. I remember the cleaned out all of them, pulling out bikes,tires,tree branches, etc.

So, can we blame clogged up sewers, or just way too much rain per hour?
Even catch basins or sewers have limits. If too much water falls too fast for it to drain, things will flood.

A bathtub or sink has a drain, but water can only leave at "X" gallons per minute. If there's a steady stream of water (say from taking a shower), water drains. OTOH if you fill up a bathtub then pull plug, it's going to take time for all that water to leave down drain.

Then take into account an eff ton of buildings in all five boroughs are built on low lying or even wetlands. These areas flooded long before white man landed in New York, and you don't eff with mother nature.

Mother Nature don't give two effs about what man does, she will send water where she has for ages regardless.

There are entire areas of SI that natives or long timers know you shouldn't live. But city allowed housing to be built (but never enough or any sewers/catch basins), so even just a decent rain storm causes flooding. If things are heavy then all bets are off.

You can find old maps of all five boroughs online or maybe in libraries. These show city or areas of before development. You can see creeks, streams, ponds, wetlands... all type of areas that have water.

When you pave over things with concrete and asphalt water that once was absorbed by ground now has no where to go. City hopes it will find it's way to sewers and catch basins, but again as we've seen that always does not work out.

It doesn't help that city turns a blind eye to homes that have paved over every GD inch of ground on their property where it isn't allowed. Again water has no place to be absorbed so it runs down into street where (again) in theory catch basins and sewers will collect.

https://www.qchron.com/editions/quee...f7570e06f.html
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Old 09-04-2021, 03:07 PM
 
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There are entire areas of SI that natives or long timers know you shouldn't live. But city allowed housing to be built (but never enough or any sewers/catch basins), so even just a decent rain storm causes flooding. If things are heavy then all bets are off.

Before I moved to SI in the early 90s a co-worker who was raised on SI, and a friend who is an engineer told me never to buy a home below (east of) Hylan Blvd because of chronic flooding issues. I took their advice of course and have never had to deal with flooding.
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Old 09-04-2021, 03:25 PM
 
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Dont know if many of you remember the city cleaned out all the sewer drains after Sandy. I remember the cleaned out all of them, pulling out bikes,tires,tree branches, etc.

So, can we blame clogged up sewers, or just way too much rain per hour?
Sandy and the drain cleaning was almost 10 years ago. More recently there was a movement to ban plastic straws because they were blamed for creating 'fatbergs' in the sewers. I was kinda thinking with all the masks people seem to throw in the street rather than disposing of them properly, they could very easily create 'fatbergs' too - more likely than a straw tbh.

Its very likely that new bikes tires and branches have replaced the ones removed 10 years ago.
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Old 09-04-2021, 03:28 PM
 
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Before I moved to SI in the early 90s a co-worker who was raised on SI, and a friend who is an engineer told me never to buy a home below (east of) Hylan Blvd because of chronic flooding issues. I took their advice of course and have never had to deal with flooding.
Never go below Hylan Blvd has been known for decades. Yeah you had summer cottages, resorts, fishing cabins or whatever out there, but land was largely not developed. Thus water had some place to go and flooding wasn't so bad.

Then SI Hospital moved out to Ocean Breeze and development picked up out there like a rocket. Voices were raised in warning, but certain people had to get their tastes... Then along came super storm Sandy and what many knew could happen, did.... In end billions in taxpayer money was spent buying up homes that shouldn't have been built out there in first place. This piled onto the loss of life and property damage.....

IIRC city is just finishing up installing sewers out there, prior to that it was septic tanks and really no way for water to drain in many spots.

https://www.thecity.nyc/staten-islan...on-the-horizon

https://www.silive.com/news/2013/01/...how_big_c.html

Here is a nice old map showing areas of water both now hidden and some still visible on Staten Island.

https://hiddenwatersblog.wordpress.c...6/09/28/leng1/

Another....

https://www.nan.usace.army.mil/Media...staten-island/

As usual, SI Advance is on the case. *LOL*

https://www.silive.com/news/2019/08/...g-opinion.html

https://www.silive.com/news/2011/08/...nd_baseme.html

Saybrook Street in Willowbrook during Hurricane Irene

https://www.silive.com/news/2011/11/..._for_clim.html

Ida was more of same: https://www.silive.com/weather/2021/...rsey-town.html

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Old 09-04-2021, 07:07 PM
 
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All this being said, often when there is any action, it comes from FDNY, not DOB.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/14/fdny-b...staten-island/

Still as above linked story shows many don't give a rat's a$$ about DOB fines or whatever. Property owners often will let things rack up till doomsday.

Only time anyone starts to worry is when things turn into a lien that either affects sale or city decides to sell property off. Then you see some action. Usually however it is owners moaning and crying to media or anyone else that will listen how they ”didn't know” or ”I'm retired, old, busted, in poor health....” anything to gain sympathy as to why fines weren't or shouldn't be paid.
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