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New York City has some of if not the oldest housing stock in USA. Many commercial and industrial buildings aren't far behind.
In all instances you have buildings with same GD heating plant as when place was designed and built.
Boiler for hot water or steam heating were lowered into basements soon as foundations were complete, and building went up around. Piping, heat emitting units, etc... were all built up and around as building went up. Large number of boilers once burned coal, but since were converted to oil or dual fuel (oil and gas). This or for buildings that went up say after 1950's they largely burn oil because it was cheaper than gas.
In many instances you cannot even get old boiler out of building to replace for a host of reasons. So any replacement goes in along side...
No one is going to take a perfectly functioning boiler out of service and replace with new just because Bloomberg and successive mayors have a hair across their a$$ about emissions. They will replace boiler when it fails, or if various incentives make it worth the bother.
Other bits? Older buildings have windows that actually open fully. That's something else in city's cross hairs....
I'd much rather live in a building with steam or hot water heat, and windows that open than some "A" rated place sealed like a tomb with constant recirculating of interior air.
Yea…no destroy all old buildings. The 1930s were almost 100 years ago. Time to move on!
Our building is 96 years old.
I saw that we have a "B" rating posted in the lobby.
What do they expect about this Green BS, the buildings are old and were made tot he codes and specifications of the day (back then)
How do they think all of a sudden all these buildings can be green or more energy efficient.
We already have the new windows, which are garbage as they are vinyl and a lot of them have the condensation in between the glass, so they were crap, luckily mine don't, and they did replace my kitchen window several years ago with an aluminum one as opposed to the vinyl, as mine was actually falling apart... the bronze aluminum is a much better window though.
I dont know if plaster and lathe walls have any insulation between them and the bricks from the outside, my guess would be no.
We do have steam heat, and that about the best heat you can have.
Its like what more do they want LL's to do, it is always something.
I've got news for you, those pre war buildings often are better constructed than much of the garbage going up nowadays.
Yes!!, Thank you.
I hate all these new buildings where the kitchen is in the corner of the living room with almost no where to ever put a table and 4 chairs, and the windows usually only open a few inches and never have screens and are impossible to clean the outside from the inside.
Our windows tilt in to clean easily and we have screens.
Id rather a pre-war building any day as opposed to the crap they build today.
Personally, I don.t give a rats azzz if the building is green or not.
Our building is 96 years old.
I saw that we have a "B" rating posted in the lobby.
What do they expect about this Green BS, the buildings are old and were made tot he codes and specifications of the day (back then) How do they think all of a sudden all these buildings can be green or more energy efficient.
We already have the new windows, which are garbage as they are vinyl and a lot of them have the condensation in between the glass, so they were crap, luckily mine don't, and they did replace my kitchen window several years ago with an aluminum one as opposed to the vinyl, as mine was actually falling apart... the bronze aluminum is a much better window though.
I dont know if plaster and lathe walls have any insulation between them and the bricks from the outside, my guess would be no.
We do have steam heat, and that about the best heat you can have.
Its like what more do they want LL's to do, it is always something.
I agree, they should be torn down and new modern housing should take its place
But nahh, let the small LLs keep renting out their 60 year old properties, God bless em
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New York City has some of if not the oldest housing stock in USA. Many commercial and industrial buildings aren't far behind.
In all instances you have buildings with same GD heating plant as when place was designed and built.
Boiler for hot water or steam heating were lowered into basements soon as foundations were complete, and building went up around. Piping, heat emitting units, etc... were all built up and around as building went up. Large number of boilers once burned coal, but since were converted to oil or dual fuel (oil and gas). This or for buildings that went up say after 1950's they largely burn oil because it was cheaper than gas.
In many instances you cannot even get old boiler out of building to replace for a host of reasons. So any replacement goes in along side...
No one is going to take a perfectly functioning boiler out of service and replace with new just because Bloomberg and successive mayors have a hair across their a$$ about emissions. They will replace boiler when it fails, or if various incentives make it worth the bother.
Other bits? Older buildings have windows that actually open fully. That's something else in city's cross hairs....
I'd much rather live in a building with steam or hot water heat, and windows that open than some "A" rated place sealed like a tomb with constant recirculating of interior air.
I'm still trying to understand why someone would expect a 100 year old building to meet today's standards for almost anything if it's not been rebuilt or upgraded for decades (or even in the last 10 years).
We have the same type of thinking here in Maryland so it's not New York specific.
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