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Old 12-03-2021, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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The second annual report card for 20,000 structures — from pre-war apartment complexes to skyscrapers — showed modest improvements. But the most popular mark was again “D,” even as the pandemic skewed power usage.

Oh, well. Hopefully, it'll improve in time. Walking around, I've seen a lot of D buildings. Yep...

https://www.thecity.nyc/environment/...ut-to-the-test

New York buildings are slowly becoming more energy efficient — but with nearly half earning Ds or Fs on city report cards, many are still struggling to make the grade.

That’s the conclusion of THE CITY’s analysis of preliminary data obtained from the city Department of Buildings, offering a glimpse into the grading system’s second year — even as the pandemic skews typical energy usage patterns.

Across the city, nearly 20% of buildings 25,000 square feet or larger received A grades, compared with about 16% in 2020, the data shows.

Like last year, lackluster Ds proved the most popular grade, though the share fell from 44% in 2020 to about 39% this year. And over 9% of buildings — up from about 7.5% last year — earned Fs, meaning the building owner failed to submit data to the city.

Overall, more than 20,000 buildings — from pre-war apartment complexes to skyscrapers — were graded. Poor grades carry no penalties, but failing to post the letter marks could mean a $1,250 fine.
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Old 12-03-2021, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Staten Island
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Another way to saddle landlords with unreasonable costs. Many buildings in NYC are approaching 100 years old and can never be upgraded to modern energy standards.
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Old 12-03-2021, 01:57 PM
 
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Another way to saddle landlords with unreasonable costs. Many buildings in NYC are approaching 100 years old and can never be upgraded to modern energy standards.
So then they should be torn down, as they're no longer efficient for today's living standards
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Old 12-03-2021, 05:48 PM
 
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I live in an apartment building that has a "D" rating ... and that's after the installation of all new windows.
In reality, probably just a money grab by the chitty.
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Old 12-07-2021, 05:43 PM
 
Location: NY
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Nearly Half of NYC Buildings Fail to Make the Green Grade.

Wow! I'm so blue in the face..............
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Old 12-07-2021, 07:29 PM
 
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NYC imposing standards that their govt owned and opperated buildings have no intentions of adhering to.

Especially with that politician who wants to enact rent control on private property. Where is the money coming from for such costly upgrades?

It cost over $30k just to upgrade windows and insulation in these new buildings.

Proper installation (licensed plumber, permits etc) of a new energy effcient boiler cost at minimum $10k a piece.

Many people come up with these ideas havent the sightest clue what it requires and cost.

It just sounds good in their heads.
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Old 12-07-2021, 07:30 PM
 
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NYC imposing standards that their govt owned and opperated buildings have no intentions of adhering to.

Especially with that politician who wants to enact rent control on private property. Where is the money coming from for such costly upgrades?

It cost over $30k just to upgrade windows and insulation in these new buildings.

Proper installation (licensed plumber, permits etc) of a new energy effcient boiler cost at minimum $10k a piece.

Many people come up with these ideas havent the sightest clue what it requires and cost.

It just sounds good in their heads.
Cheaper to demolish and build anew. Whats the fun in maintaining a 60 year old property?
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Old 12-07-2021, 09:46 PM
 
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Cheaper to demolish and build anew. Whats the fun in maintaining a 60 year old property?
I have never bought a 60 year old property. They have all been over 80. One over 100 year old. And the quality in workmanship is far better than the newer built buildings.
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Old 12-08-2021, 07:16 AM
 
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New York City has some of if not the oldest housing stock in USA. Many commercial and industrial buildings aren't far behind.

In all instances you have buildings with same GD heating plant as when place was designed and built.

Boiler for hot water or steam heating were lowered into basements soon as foundations were complete, and building went up around. Piping, heat emitting units, etc... were all built up and around as building went up. Large number of boilers once burned coal, but since were converted to oil or dual fuel (oil and gas). This or for buildings that went up say after 1950's they largely burn oil because it was cheaper than gas.

In many instances you cannot even get old boiler out of building to replace for a host of reasons. So any replacement goes in along side...

No one is going to take a perfectly functioning boiler out of service and replace with new just because Bloomberg and successive mayors have a hair across their a$$ about emissions. They will replace boiler when it fails, or if various incentives make it worth the bother.

Other bits? Older buildings have windows that actually open fully. That's something else in city's cross hairs....

I'd much rather live in a building with steam or hot water heat, and windows that open than some "A" rated place sealed like a tomb with constant recirculating of interior air.
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Old 12-08-2021, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn the best borough in NYC!
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Every single old building with no character in NyC needs to get replaced. I don’t mind the old nice buildings in areas like Washington heights but parts of Flatbush have old buildings that are hideous and wasting space. Get rid of all of them and make the city shine like a window windex
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