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More lipstick on a pig like LGA. There are no airline improvements / expansion. JfK needs two more parallel runways to increase throughput.
No space for it. Plus there are just so many slots that can be approved for take off and landing (air traffic congestion).
Renovating the existing terminals allows the airlines to fly in more double decker planes with more passengers. It makes more sense to add more passengers on an already approved flight #/flight route than apply for (and pay all the associated landing fees) additional flights.
Plus all the NIMBYs would throw an eternal fit (rightly so) if runways were added/expanded. It easier to upgrade a terminal gate so a plane carrying 400 passengers can land/park than expanding runways to add more flights
NYC's population is shifting to the SE and SW corridors. I'm not seeing the benefit of this and why private investment cannot be redirected elsewhere to say jobs, training, and modernizing the NYC subway system. But, to her credit, funding this through private dollars is a strategic win.
Would have liked to have seen better ingress and egress for JFK like a LIRR spur line that actually directly serves at least one of the major terminals.
True, but this is still a lot better than nothing.
Going to other international airports, our situation in NYC is just sad, and it certainly will not be anywhere near "the best airport in the world". The best airports have multiple subway, express trains, and high speed trains going into downtown areas from their airports, a lot of them are 1 seat ride.
I mean, you look at one of the picture in the article with Rick Cotton sharing the plan and it says $15B of private investment and $2.9B of PANYNJ investment so that's already $18B. Not sure where the $9.5B is coming from.
More lipstick on a pig like LGA. There are no airline improvements / expansion. JfK needs two more parallel runways to increase throughput.
Exactly. JFK needs a complete re-design much like Chicago's ORD had. They have the space for 4 parallel runways in the 4/22 direction. Then the terminal area could be 'stacked' like Atlanta or Heathrow for maximum efficiency.
BUT, that will never happen because the eco-terrorists will claim some frog in Jamaica bay won't be able to find a mate or something.
No space for it. Plus there are just so many slots that can be approved for take off and landing (air traffic congestion).
Renovating the existing terminals allows the airlines to fly in more double decker planes with more passengers. It makes more sense to add more passengers on an already approved flight #/flight route than apply for (and pay all the associated landing fees) additional flights.
Plus all the NIMBYs would throw an eternal fit (rightly so) if runways were added/expanded. It easier to upgrade a terminal gate so a plane carrying 400 passengers can land/park than expanding runways to add more flights
An airport is only as good as its runways, and JFK's runway arrangement is terrible and inefficient. For starters, the 4/22 runways are used more often due to wind direction, but they're too close for parallel operations unlike the 13/31's.
Like I mentioned, JFK should completely re-arrange its runways to have four parallel on the 4-22 axis, keep the 13/31's as cross wind backups. There's plenty of space in the existing airfield (itself currently under-utilized) to do this transition; the west side close to Howard beach could be home to a pair of new parallel runways. Then, LaGuardia would become 4/22 only and this would nicely align with EWR which is already just 4/22. And voila, the entire New York airspace is on the 4/22 axis (unless there are heavy crosswinds), simplifying everything and adding MUCH more capacity.
If ORD could somehow bypass the NIMBY's of affluent Cook county, I don't see why it couldn't happen in Queens/South Nassau.
NYC's population is shifting to the SE and SW corridors. I'm not seeing the benefit of this and why private investment cannot be redirected elsewhere to say jobs, training, and modernizing the NYC subway system. But, to her credit, funding this through private dollars is a strategic win.
The funding mainly comes from the airlines and airline/airport affiliated organizations/companies. Private investments are free to and will invest where they can get more bang for their buck and where they are most knowledgeable about and interested in.
The airline industry has no interest in modernizing NYC subways for bums to sleep in and people to hop the turnstiles. That will not yield great returns on their investment.
exactly. Jfk needs a complete re-design much like chicago's ord had. They have the space for 4 parallel runways in the 4/22 direction. Then the terminal area could be 'stacked' like atlanta or heathrow for maximum efficiency.
But, that will never happen because the eco-terrorists will claim some frog in jamaica bay won't be able to find a mate or something.
The funding mainly comes from the airlines and airline/airport affiliated organizations/companies. Private investments are free to and will invest where they can get more bang for their buck and where they are most knowledgeable about and interested in.
The airline industry has no interest in modernizing NYC subways for bums to sleep in and people to hop the turnstiles. That will not yield great returns on their investment.
My quote didn't suggest that airline companies invest in subways. What I'm saying is that why doesn't Hochul sell subway modernization to NYC-based companies? And just so you know - this venture isn't 100% privately-funded, hence the term "public-private" partnership. The terms of the deal are still being discussed. We can only hope that the state doesn't have to allocate more funding once the ink is dry. And then there's this other sticky matter of project overrun costs. Investors are only backing this to the tune of $9.5B. If the costs multiply, who's paying? The financial partners or John Q Taxpayer? And here's another question: what are the investors gaining from this "partnership"?
I would be interested in seeing the terms of final deal.
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