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Old 12-29-2021, 03:22 PM
 
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But isn’t that what you say all the time?
What you're doing is the equivalent of going to the Cats forum and repeatedly posting that you hate cats
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Old 12-29-2021, 03:26 PM
 
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Majority of people who are murdered in NYC are black men. When murder rate goes up, they are disproportionally affected. This doesn't really affect whites or Asians as much.

If you sum up all the extra deaths during BdB years compared to what it was trending under Bloomberg (a steep decline to sub-300 murders per year, or even trending towards sub-250), you'd get around 1,000 extra lives lost. This is a fairly large number, especially considering that black males are like 12% of the city population. This is just murders, but we can also add all those extra who got shot and survived (and now are partially paralyzed on wheelchairs), extra African American women who were raped, etc. The numbers start to add up. Its sad really. So many lives ruined just so a couple dozen of grifters could virtue signal and make money on donations, books, and speaking fees.
Can you name some politicians that genuinely have Black people in their best interests?
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Old 12-29-2021, 03:27 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Majority of people who are murdered in NYC are black men. When murder rate goes up, they are disproportionally affected. This doesn't really affect whites or Asians as much.

If you sum up all the extra deaths during BdB years compared to what it was trending under Bloomberg (a steep decline to sub-300 murders per year, or even trending towards sub-250), you'd get around 1,000 extra lives lost. This is a fairly large number, especially considering that black males are like 12% of the city population. This is just murders, but we can also add all those extra who got shot and survived (and now are partially paralyzed on wheelchairs), extra African American women who were raped, etc. The numbers start to add up. Its sad really. So many lives ruined just so a couple dozen of grifters could virtue signal and make money on donations, books, and speaking fees.
It really is true that we are where we are because of a relative handful of loudmouths on twitter and in the media. We're so polarized that voting dem is a lock for the majority of this city regardless of the extra perp-loving bagging that comes along with them.

The dem primaries are so important because if the progressive lunatic wins, moderate dem voters will still vote for them. They are loons.

This was one of my arguments to my few dem-identifying friends who claim to be moderates. "But we support the police". No, you don't. Because that dem loon you voted for is slathering foam to put me in jail while whacking it to let perps out.

Ye reap what ye sow. I actually wish the rise in crime was even worse. It would show that the cops are finally getting it!
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Old 12-29-2021, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Can you name some politicians that genuinely have Black people in their best interests?
First of all, my working assumption is that no politicians genuinely have their constituency in their best interest. With that said, some politicians, like Bernie, are race-agnostic (although I personally do not believe his policies would benefit black people).
A lot of Republican policies would actually help black people a lot - especially things like charter schools/school choice that Democrats oppose. A lot of black kids are stuck in ghetto areas in bad zip codes zoned to bad schools, with no money to buy a house in the suburbs. It would be nice to at least give greater opportunity to more black kids to succeed in better environment, remove them early from the ghetto environment and influence, instead of them having to *heroically* try to learn in failing public schools despite all the odds. Black kids shouldn't be heroes, dodging bullets, bullies, and ignoring disruptors in class, they should be growing up normally like everybody else.
Immigration, especially large illegal immigration, is very bad for African Americans as well. Historically all black civil rights leaders, including MLK jr, were opposed to it, because immigrants are competing with AAs for those jobs. As a result you got more unemployed black youth. High youth unemployed leads to more crime and most of the criminals commit crimes in neighborhoods they live in. Having access to jobs and economic opportunity is huge. Note: I myself is actually pro immigration (educated classes in general want more immigration), but here I am putting myself in the shoes of an average African American and what policy would be actually better for the black community as a whole. Another note: immigration dilutes black political power.
It is true that there should be police reform and community policing, but having more police in African American neighborhoods would actually benefit all the normal working people and kids, by removing the 5% toxic people who ruin lives for everyone else. I can't believe I have to say this but... high crime is bad for the community. (what a novel idea). This would also help local black-owned small businesses.
Support for church groups, black marriage counselors, general mental health support in the black community would also do tremendous good. One of the predictors of being poor or a criminal is growing up in a single parent household (regardless of race), but this disproportionally effects the black community (this wasn't the case until 1970s, blacks used to have similar marriage rates compared to whites). Having black mental health counselors would also help with black male suicide rates (nobody talks about this, but it is a huge problem in the community).

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Old 12-29-2021, 04:15 PM
 
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First of all, my working assumption is that no politicians genuinely have their constituency in their best interest. With that said, some politicians, like Bernie, are race-agnostic (although I personally do not believe his policies would benefit black people).
A lot of Republican policies would actually help black people a lot - especially things like charter schools/school choice that Democrats oppose. A lot of black kids are stuck in ghetto areas in bad zip codes zoned to bad schools, with no money to buy a house in the suburbs. It would be nice to at least give greater opportunity to more black kids to succeed in better environment, remove them early from the ghetto environment and influence, instead of them having to *heroically* try to learn in failing public schools despite all the odds. Black kids shouldn't be heroes, dodging bullets, bullies, and ignoring disruptors in class, they should be growing up normally like everybody else.
Immigration, especially large illegal immigration, is very bad for African Americans as well. Historically all black civil rights leaders, including MLK jr, were opposed to it, because immigrants are competing with AAs for those jobs. As a result you got more unemployed black youth. High youth unemployed leads to more crime and most of the criminals commit crimes in neighborhoods they live in. Having access to jobs and economic opportunity is huge. Note: I myself is actually pro immigration (educated classes in general want more immigration), but here I am putting myself in the shoes of an average African American and what policy would be actually better for the black community as a whole. Another note: immigration dilutes black political power.
It is true that there should be police reform and community policing, but having more police in African American neighborhoods would actually benefit all the normal working people and kids, by removing the 5% toxic people who ruin lives for everyone else. I can't believe I have to say this but... high crime is bad for the community. (what a novel idea). This would also help local black-owned small businesses.
Support for church groups, black marriage counselors, general mental health support in the black community would also do tremendous good. One of the predictors of being poor or a criminal is growing up in a single parent household (regardless of race), but this disproportionally effects the black community (this wasn't the case until 1970s, blacks used to have similar marriage rates compared to whites). Having black mental health counselors would also help with black male suicide rates (nobody talks about this, but it is a huge problem in the community).
To the green bolded, I wonder why this is. Any ideas on your end?
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Old 12-29-2021, 04:44 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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What you're doing is the equivalent of going to the Cats forum and repeatedly posting that you hate cats
Wrong. Talking about cat problems does not mean one hates cats. All those supposedly negative threads that you complain (and derail) people shouldn’t be posting about almost always come from a news story link. Just like this thread for example. It is clearly a news story about NYC so none of us are making things up. It is what is happening in this city. So we discuss the good, the bad and the ugly and everything in between because this is a discussion forum.
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Old 12-29-2021, 04:52 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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To the green bolded, I wonder why this is. Any ideas on your end?
I wonder why this is too. Almost all other races manage to overcome their problems on their own, if given enough time, but blacks seem to always need the public’s programs, funds, this support, that support and yet never really improve.
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Old 12-29-2021, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I wonder why this is too. Almost all other races manage to overcome their problems on their own, if given enough time, but blacks seem to always need the public’s programs, funds, this support, that support and yet never really improve.
I wonder how black immigrants fare (those who came from places like Africa, Haiti, Jamaica, etc.) compared to African Americans.
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Old 12-29-2021, 05:32 PM
 
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Wrong. Talking about cat problems does not mean one hates cats. All those supposedly negative threads that you complain (and derail) people shouldn’t be posting about almost always come from a news story link. Just like this thread for example. It is clearly a news story about NYC so none of us are making things up. It is what is happening in this city. So we discuss the good, the bad and the ugly and everything in between because this is a discussion forum.
I've never seen you post any positive threads about NYC
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Old 12-29-2021, 05:34 PM
 
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I wonder why this is too. Almost all other races manage to overcome their problems on their own, if given enough time, but blacks seem to always need the public’s programs, funds, this support, that support and yet never really improve.
It's a big mystery
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