Stick A Fork In It-It's Done - St. John's University Staten Island Campus To Close

[Mr.Retired]

no need to wonder why population dwindles...

[BugsyPal]

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Originally Posted by citylove101

Reminds me of when NYU closed and sold its Bronx campus to consolidate at Washington Square. But I didn't know that St Johns even had a campus on Staten Island. Presume that the school will sell the campus (how big is it and where is it?) and find a use for the proceeds within the university. Is this a big development possibility for Staten Island? New housing? Institutional use? Anybody familiar with Staten Island have thoughts on that?[/QUOTE

Another hospital is desperately needed however the St. John's campus is not easily accessed by public transit. Most likely will end up like Mount Loretto, sold off to a developer.

Staten Island does not need another hospital, and if it did one at top of a steep hill served by a narrow roadway wouldn't be best location.

There are two hospitals currently on SI:

Staten Island University Hospital north and south divisions (owned by Northwell and comprises the old Staten Island and Richmond Memorial hospitals)


Richmond University Medical Center (formerly St. Vincent's hospital of Richmond).

Guess could say three hospitals since SIUH has two campuses; north and south. Bayley Seton Hospital was a big barn of a place that the sisters bought (huge mistake) when Reagan shut down United States Public Health Service hospitals.


As things stand now good number of SI residents (like those in Brooklyn) go into Manhattan for non emergency health care. This and people who live on North Shore won't go near RUHC with a barge pole They'd rather travel clear across SI to south shore and go to SIUH.

SIUH is at least owned by Northwell who has very deep pockets. RUMC OTOH continues to go it alone and recently rejected becoming part of NYC's municipal hospital system. A new ER is opening up soon (paid for in part by huge infusion of federal money), and place has steadily made other improvements.

https://nypost.com/2022/09/05/nycs-m...near-collapse/

Trend in NYC nowadays is for closing big hospitals, not opening new ones. You might get an urgent care center sort of what Northwell/Lenox Hill has at old Saint Vincent's campus in Greenwich Village, but no one is building a new hospital on SI.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by edubz

Writing was on the wall for this for awhile. The demographics of SI have changed drastically and there is less and less demand for a small catholic university there. Add in the ever-increasing cost of private college, prohibitive tolls and traffic and there was no way for St. John's to attract anyone from outside of SI.

There is less and less of anything Catholic in NYC lately. Schools, hospitals, and other things owned or affiliated with the Church in NYC archdiocese have been shutting down at a steady clip for years now.

St. Peter's girls school closed years ago.

St. John's Villa school for girls closed a few years ago.


St. Vincent's hospital closed (place was bought and reopened as Richmond University Medical Center)

Knights of Columbus spent tons of money redoing Columbia Lyceum in West Brighton back in 1990's, only turn around short time later and shut the place, then sold land for redevelopment into what else? Those GD townhouses.

https://www.silive.com/entertainment...ource=facebook

Demographics on SI are changing; and the large Italian, German, Irish and other European descent Catholic families are either smaller, and or have left areas they once dominated. For K-8 Catholic schools this has meant taking tons of kids who aren't of the faith (of various races, creeds and colors), and often who families cannot afford full tuition.

Mid-Island and South Shore Catholic churches and schools are doing well. Masses are often packed, schools are bursting with kids who are actually Catholic. On North Shore from Saint George to Port Richmond or other way to Rosebank areas have and are changing.

It's pretty much same in Bronx. St. Nicholas of Tolentine High School closed back in 1991 due to declining enrolment. That bit mirrored changes overall in demographics of University Heights.

https://stnicholasoftolentinebronx.org/alumni/

[dfc99]

Originally Posted by edubz

Hopefully Wagner buys it. We don't need more residential building.

Putting 2 family semi's there would be undesirable. It's a nice area. Basically you would have 4 families living on 3400 square feet. One family max should be on lots that size. Also being that each family has 2 cars on average you would have a lot of cars on the street and parking problems.

Undesirable but totally legal. Rezoning the land is a big deal and won't happen. Current R3-1 zoning would allow for approx 422 2-family semis. That's 844 'dwelling units'. The parking requirement for SI differs from the other boroughs and is 1.5 spaces per dwelling unit, which would mean a required 1266 parking spaces in total. It's not unusual for an SI family to have 2 cars so all this potential new housing could add approx 1700 more cars on the road.



All reasons why Staten Islanders are hoping that Wagner buy the SJU campus.