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Old 10-19-2022, 11:32 AM
 
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If they cant afford to reno a unit when someone moves out that means they cannot afford to have the business.

Not all businesses work out. A lot go under. Might be worth it to walk away from it completely then. Have someone who can afford the reno do it and move someone in. Don't have 60k units just sitting there

I doubt that all 60k units need 50k worth of reno...
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I don't know why warehousing apartments is legal.
Welcome to the welfare state ladies and gentleman. Where the numerically illiterate blend with the authoritarian to explain why capitalism is bad because capital choosing not to work to support freeloaders is wrong.
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Old 10-19-2022, 11:39 AM
 
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First off from what I read in the article there is no mention of covid having negative impact. "Numbers compiled by the staff of the city Rent Guidelines Board suggest that by and large, they’re doing just fine, or better. "

"The typical owner of rent-stabilized property would have made over $6 million of post-expense income in 2020 alone"

They said they want to make renovations but cant afford to meanwhile they are also "deliberately pushing out rent-stabilized tenants and keeping those apartments vacant." - why??

"One tenant recalls what appeared to be “construction as harassment” on his floor, filling hallways with dust and potential toxins from within the walls, and pushing several rent-stabilized families to move out. " -why???

Has greed written all over it. Let them go to court. I'd love to see how it plays out for them. Maybe the federal government can step in and start freezing rents again. They are already hiking up the mortgage rates

https://www.thecity.nyc/housing/2022...dlords-housing
Have you ever met a businessman who doesn't like money? You think these Landlords are forgoing profit because they hate money?

Another poster laid it out for you, mathematically, why renovating certain apartments isn't profitable currently. What's so difficult to understand?

These business people are greedy but all of the people taking advantage of rent regulation aren't greedy? Welcome to NYCs welfare state.
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Old 10-19-2022, 05:22 PM
 
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If they cant afford to reno a unit when someone moves out that means they cannot afford to have the business.

Not all businesses work out. A lot go under. Might be worth it to walk away from it completely then. Have someone who can afford the reno do it and move someone in. Don't have 60k units just sitting there

I doubt that all 60k units need 50k worth of reno...
If the math doesn't work out how does a new owner matter? This is how the Bronx burned, the buildings simply weren't worth the cost to maintain them.

Don't get me wrong, the poor need a place to live, but this is the wrong way to go about it. Things were working better when it was the 80/20 program. 80% market rate 20% low income.
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Old 10-19-2022, 05:37 PM
 
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These landlords are scammers and should go down like these dudes just did : https://sports.yahoo.com/nyc-develop...225800725.html
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Old 10-19-2022, 05:59 PM
 
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If the math doesn't work out how does a new owner matter? This is how the Bronx burned, the buildings simply weren't worth the cost to maintain them.

Don't get me wrong, the poor need a place to live, but this is the wrong way to go about it. Things were working better when it was the 80/20 program. 80% market rate 20% low income.
The 421a was actually not working better. Landlords/developers figured out a way to play the system shown in that article I just posted ^ I’m sure there are more that haven’t been caught yet. Also these developers almost always pick the 130AMI which is only a couple hundred dollars cheaper than what they list the market rates for. So if you think it was working better for developers/landlords yes. But it was not doing what it was created for. Very little oversight creating an easy way to commit fraud and scam with tax payer dollars
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Old 10-19-2022, 06:14 PM
 
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These landlords are scammers and should go down like these dudes just did : https://sports.yahoo.com/nyc-develop...225800725.html
One of them is out on zero bail laughing to the bank with 10 felonies pending . Welcome to Manhattan.

Another one no bail with multiple felonies “not an arraignable charge “

To lazy to look up the rest on public information. Assuming it’s all the same.

Also it shows the incident days as July 2017. Statue of limitation is 5 years I believe for the charges. They will have no issues here I assume.
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Old 10-19-2022, 06:23 PM
 
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One of them is out on zero bail laughing to the bank with 10 felonies pending . Welcome to Manhattan.

Another one no bail with multiple felonies “not an arraignable charge “

To lazy to look up the rest on public information. Assuming it’s all the same.

Also it shows the incident days as July 2017. Statue of limitation is 5 years I believe for the charges. They will have no issues here I assume.
Nice to hear that you support criminals. Not shocked
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Old 10-19-2022, 06:43 PM
 
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Nice to hear that you support criminals. Not shocked
I don’t support anyone. Look at the da and his memos on downgrading felony thefts involving guns.

I posted facts and you say I support criminals ? No one should steal from anyone. But with the Manhattan da it doesn’t fit any jail time guidelines. Why does this change ?

Nytimes article

“The crimes he instructed prosecutors to avoid seeking jail time for include certain robberies and assaults, as well as gun possession in cases where no other crimes are involved. He also directed that they no longer request prison sentences of more than 20 years absent “exceptional circumstances.”

Mr. Bragg’s goal is to find alternatives to incarceration, especially for first-time offenders, an aim he seeks to balance with the need to keep the public safe. In the way they take into account the experiences of those who are charged, his policies resemble those of several prosecutors in big cities around the country who have been elected over the past five years.”

Based on his polices stated in his own memos any lawyer will say he’s targeting them if he requests jail time. Especially a first time offense in his words.



https://nypost.com/2022/10/19/randal...migrant-tents/

Adams can violate right to shelter but no one cares. But look at the shelters.

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Old 10-19-2022, 06:51 PM
 
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It will be a great day if rent regulation is deemed unconstitutional.
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Old 10-19-2022, 08:21 PM
 
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These landlords are scammers and should go down like these dudes just did : https://sports.yahoo.com/nyc-develop...225800725.html
Of course there aren't scammers in NYCHA and the affordable housing lotteries.

The story you posted is further proof of how all of the regulation distorts the market.
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