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Old 02-11-2023, 11:33 AM
 
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Way NY does rent stabilized increases is confusing and effed.

Nearly every other state or local area with rent controls follows a simple and pretty predicable formula. Usually straight percentage of Consumers Price Index (CPI) or set percent of say 4%.

This gives everyone involved more certainty in predicting year to year rent increases.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...PI)%20annually.
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Old 02-11-2023, 11:46 AM
 
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Again recent memory is 8 years of BdeB who as mayor effed landlords by getting RGB to do his bidding.

Looking at RGB orders from Dinkins, Rudy G and Bloomberg administrations it's a wash.

Remember we have luxury of looking at numbers in hindsight, something people renewing leases back then did not. RGB voted some very steep increases, especially in years about from 1999 through 2014.

https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofne.../aptorders.pdf
A wash means there’s a disadvantage to signing a 2 year lease. So in general, it’s more advantageous to sign 1 year leases. That doesn’t mean the same advantages will be there going forward but there’s little reason to believe NYC politicians will suddenly start to change policy regarding RS.
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Old 02-11-2023, 11:47 AM
 
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Way NY does rent stabilized increases is confusing and effed.

Nearly every other state or local area with rent controls follows a simple and pretty predicable formula. Usually straight percentage of Consumers Price Index (CPI) or set percent of say 4%.

This gives everyone involved more certainty in predicting year to year rent increases.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...PI)%20annually.
It’s a political tool. Once you see it through that lens, everything makes much more sense.
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Old 02-11-2023, 11:56 AM
 
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NYC is one of the few places that has more renters then owners ..politics kiss renters butts..

Ever see a landlords bill of rights ? Nope ..all landlords have is general contract law on their side .

Renters have a whole bill of rights

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Old 02-13-2023, 05:09 AM
 
Location: NY
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Spend a few dollars there, save a few dollars here.
Geesh, nickle and dime-ing would kill me.
Aren't there bigger fish to fry ?

If possible.....Cut the middle man out.
Buy a place and recline knowing that only
gibberish is on TV which you can turn off at any time.


Submit to God and be at peace with him;
in this way prosperity will come to you.
JOB22:21
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Old 02-13-2023, 05:21 AM
 
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In big buildings these aren’t nickel and dimes.

I have owned enough Of my own places in my life …

Unless I see a tremendous deal on a high rise condo or co- op I am done.

We have far more cash flow like this …

I don’t need a few hundred thousand dollars tied up in a place anymore , I prefer it generate income and appreciation we can enjoy and use via liquid investments

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Old 02-13-2023, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I tried doing the comparison over the past 20 years, but there are so many asterisks, like "under $400 add $50" or two tiered rent increases for the 2-year leases: "first year 3.5%, second year 4.5%."
A proper empirical comparison is completely impossible.

Perhaps the increases were designed to be inscrutable???
Of note, the extra charges for those paying the lowest stabilized rents were applied during the Giuliani years, no surprise there.
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Old 02-13-2023, 06:32 AM
 
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I have been watching for 20 years and you have to really cherry pick some time frame to find a better two year period.

I had always wished our tenants took the two year lease
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Old 02-16-2023, 12:40 PM
 
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Thanks so much guys! I really appreciate it! this is a first time lease renewal for us.
This may be a stupid question but are these percentages negotiable with the landlord?
Also what happens if we want to break the lease?

Thanks a ton!
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Old 02-16-2023, 01:03 PM
 
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Thanks so much guys! I really appreciate it! this is a first time lease renewal for us.
This may be a stupid question but are these percentages negotiable with the landlord?
Also what happens if we want to break the lease?

Thanks a ton!
are stabilized rents negotiable ? Not likely ,for one thing under the new laws that rent would be permanently reset lower .

As far as breakin* the lease ?

What does the lease say ?

Whether the landlord will or won’t charge you is up to them if it’s in the lease

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