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Old 08-25-2023, 10:28 AM
 
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If the Yankees insured Stanton’s contract they might have a way out. At the end of the season, he is told to report to spring training in top shape. That means able to run at full speed. No trotting tolerated. If he can’t run in the spring he gets put on the 60 day IL freeing up a roster spot and allowing his insurance to kick in. Than the Yankees only have to eat a reduced salary. for the next four years. If Stanton files a grievance, the stop watch is the defense. assuming the Yankees have records of performance during his first year. If they lose, Stanton returns and Hal is out the money he pays back to the insurance company.

Stanton is just one of the problems. Donaldson, Montas, IKF, Bader and Severino will all become free agents this year. Torres gets an extension or a qualifying offer or goes to arbitration. Bauers and McKinney cannot perform at championship level and must be gone. The Yankees should part ways with Holmes. Does Gerit Cole have an opt-out? If he does, that’s a landmine. If he is a free agent, the Yankees will have to ante up to keep him. That means more dumpster diving on the roster. That means Cole, Judge, Stanton, Rizzo, Rodon with big bucks next year.

Peraza has yet to show he can hit. He might be the second coming of Esteban Florial. He and Torres are the only trade pieces on the roster. The Yankees need to consider a complete teardown, but, unless Cashman quits it would be useless. Holes have to filled at third base, centerfield, left field, catcher and possibly second base. The Yankees also need a closer, a lefty reliever and a reliable DH, one that makes contact.
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:53 AM
 
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If the Yankees insured Stanton’s contract they might have a way out. At the end of the season, he is told to report to spring training in top shape. That means able to run at full speed. No trotting tolerated. If he can’t run in the spring he gets put on the 60 day IL freeing up a roster spot and allowing his insurance to kick in. Than the Yankees only have to eat a reduced salary. for the next four years. If Stanton files a grievance, the stop watch is the defense. assuming the Yankees have records of performance during his first year. If they lose, Stanton returns and Hal is out the money he pays back to the insurance company.

Stanton is just one of the problems. Donaldson, Montas, IKF, Bader and Severino will all become free agents this year. Torres gets an extension or a qualifying offer or goes to arbitration. Bauers and McKinney cannot perform at championship level and must be gone. The Yankees should part ways with Holmes. Does Gerit Cole have an opt-out? If he does, that’s a landmine. If he is a free agent, the Yankees will have to ante up to keep him. That means more dumpster diving on the roster. That means Cole, Judge, Stanton, Rizzo, Rodon with big bucks next year.

Peraza has yet to show he can hit. He might be the second coming of Esteban Florial. He and Torres are the only trade pieces on the roster. The Yankees need to consider a complete teardown, but, unless Cashman quits it would be useless. Holes have to filled at third base, centerfield, left field, catcher and possibly second base. The Yankees also need a closer, a lefty reliever and a reliable DH, one that makes contact.
The insurance claim isn't nearly as simple as you think it is. Insurance also doesn't kick in when you go on the 60 day DL.

Barring an actual career ending injury the Yankees aren't getting out of Stanton's contract. He's not insured to be able to run full speed,he's insured to be able to play baseball which he can still clearly do.

You think these insurance companies seriously pay out 100+ million dollar claims bc a player isn't as fast as he was when he was younger or bc he goes on the 60 day DL? That's not how it works.

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If Stanton files a grievance, the stop watch is the defense. assuming the Yankees have records of performance during his first year."

1) obviously they do have records of this as everything is tracked these days
2) it doesn't matter. He signed that contract when he was 25 years old (with the marlins by the way)
You think an insurance company pays out a contract because a 34 year old can't play defense the way he did when he was 25?


Your entire post honestly reeks of ignorance. You obviously have no idea how insuring player contracts actually works. You make it out like it's you going to the doctor for a checkup and they bill your insurance company and your insurance company just sends them the 100 dollars or so.

The insurance in these contracts isn't for a declining ability.- they're for being physically unable to continue playing the sport. A sport which by the way now has a DH in both leagues. The insurance also isn't throw the guy on the DL and they start paying out that day.

Look up Prince Fielder, Davis Wright and Steven Strasbourg- those are the kinds of career ending injuries needed for insurance to pay out. And even then the insurance doesn't kick in on Day 1 of going on the DL. Each policy is going to be a little different but they have to miss a significant amount of time and then not be able to continue playing the sport for insurance to have to kick in.

Strasbourg just retired yesterday bc of injuries. He's played in 8 games since he signed a huge contract after the 2019 season. He pitched in one game in 2022 and still it took this long and for him to be this hurt to where he could finally retire due to injury and have insurance kick in. The Nationals have been stuck paying him all of this time.


As bad as his contract is right now - Stanton having a .730 ops which is about league average doesn't mean he can't play baseball anymore. It means they're paying him way too much to do so and they aren't getting bailed out.
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Old 08-25-2023, 12:41 PM
 
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NY teams need to stop signing long term mega contracts in favor of short term deals with incentives. There is no elite player that plays the full term contract without health issues. So it's better to only lock up for a few years and keep growing the farm system and that's how Atlanta and Tampa are able to be be competitive and leading the division the last 5 years than loading up stars with big contracts.
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Old 08-25-2023, 01:01 PM
 
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NY teams need to stop signing long term mega contracts in favor of short term deals with incentives. There is no elite player that plays the full term contract without health issues. So it's better to only lock up for a few years and keep growing the farm system and that's how Atlanta and Tampa are able to be be competitive and leading the division the last 5 years than loading up stars with big contracts.
The ny media loves those big names

Look at the jets with Aaron Rodgers

That might work as they were a pretty good team minus Zach Wilson (terrible pick btw)

But I agree with you

However I don’t see it stopping anytime soon

Ny is just not a place for small town tactics, even though those tactics tend to work
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Old 08-25-2023, 04:47 PM
 
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NY teams need to stop signing long term mega contracts in favor of short term deals with incentives. There is no elite player that plays the full term contract without health issues. So it's better to only lock up for a few years and keep growing the farm system and that's how Atlanta and Tampa are able to be be competitive and leading the division the last 5 years than loading up stars with big contracts.
Atlanta and Tampa are 2 of the best run organizations in baseball.
The Yankees player development the last 20ish years has been absolutely pathetic overall. You have to develop good major leaguers worth locking up young which they've done a horrendous job of.

There's nothing wrong with this approach. The problem is their front office has been completely unable to do it .The dodgers have the best of both worlds-they have a ton of money to spend but are very good at player development.
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Old 08-25-2023, 06:26 PM
 
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Atlanta and Tampa are 2 of the best run organizations in baseball.
The Yankees player development the last 20ish years has been absolutely pathetic overall. You have to develop good major leaguers worth locking up young which they've done a horrendous job of.

There's nothing wrong with this approach. The problem is their front office has been completely unable to do it .The dodgers have the best of both worlds-they have a ton of money to spend but are very good at player development.
If you look at the Mets history, whenever they have big payroll they choke. Because there’s no incentives to play hard. They got competitive when they brought in journeyman players that needed to prove themselves. Cespedes is the best example. Yankees also gotten a lot at trade deadline in the past to substitute Stanton.

Mets need to stop loading up big names unless they are in contention and have solid pitching depth. Those years when they had the best pitching staff they failed to add depth and lost their chance. Now they have no depth.
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:21 PM
 
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If you look at the Mets history, whenever they have big payroll they choke. Because there’s no incentives to play hard. They got competitive when they brought in journeyman players that needed to prove themselves. Cespedes is the best example. Yankees also gotten a lot at trade deadline in the past to substitute Stanton.

Mets need to stop loading up big names unless they are in contention and have solid pitching depth. Those years when they had the best pitching staff they failed to add depth and lost their chance. Now they have no depth.
When were they ever good with a bunch of journeymen?

I'll grant you Cespedes is lazy and didn't try after he got paid but Schezser and Velander both have great work ethics. Schezser is one of the very few guys who signed a long term (in his case 7 year) deal at 30ish who was actually good for the entire contract.

While his time with the Mets didn't go that well it wasn't lack of effort.

The Mets won 101 games last year then went out and added last year's AL Cy Young winner. How was a 101 win team not in contention? That's exactly the kind of move they should have made. They totally imploded this year which nobody could have predicted but you're acting like they added the big name pitcher to a team that stunk last year which isn't what happened.
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:29 PM
 
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When were they ever good with a bunch of journeymen?

I'll grant you Cespedes is lazy and didn't try after he got paid but Schezser and Velander both have great work ethics. Schezser is one of the very few guys who signed a long term (in his case 7 year) deal at 30ish who was actually good for the entire contract.

While his time with the Mets didn't go that well it wasn't lack of effort.

The Mets won 101 games last year then went out and added last year's AL Cy Young winner. How was a 101 win team not in contention? That's exactly the kind of move they should have made. They totally imploded this year which nobody could have predicted but you're acting like they added the big name pitcher to a team that stunk last year which isn't what happened.
They won 101 games but imploded down the stretch, losing the NL east to the Braves by getting swept to end the season and then getting knocked out

It’s a bit surprising they’ve been so awful this year, but they really imploded last September so it’s not really like they showed that much promise coming into this year.
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Old 08-26-2023, 04:45 PM
 
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Enough Baseball, we got Jets/Giants Pre season today
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Old 08-26-2023, 10:44 PM
 
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Enough Baseball, we got Jets/Giants Pre season today
I don’t pay much attention to preseason nfl, but am excited about the prospects of both the jets and giants this year

Giants could be pretty solid and if Rodgers works out I think the jets could go on a real run
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