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Old 10-16-2023, 08:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Plenty of abandoned crap hole cities in America we could send these migrants to. Places where jobs and hope dried up long ago. Some of these places are true ghost towns.

Places like Gary Indiana, Flint Michigan, other places in the Rust Belt.
And they would just leave after you drop them off. Once in the country, people are free to move wherever.
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Old 10-16-2023, 10:18 AM
 
Location: western NY
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Feel free to provide examples of the bolded.
OSHA and the EPA, for openers. They started out with good intentions, but like everything else, they overstepped their good. Everybody likes to bang the drum that American industry left the country because of high labor costs, but when the agencies are hovering over your business, with a microscope, invoking outrageous and very costly "operating standards", you look for somewhere else to operate, a place where you're actually welcomed.
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Old 10-16-2023, 10:41 AM
 
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OSHA and the EPA, for openers. They started out with good intentions, but like everything else, they overstepped their good. Everybody likes to bang the drum that American industry left the country because of high labor costs, but when the agencies are hovering over your business, with a microscope, invoking outrageous and very costly "operating standards", you look for somewhere else to operate, a place where you're actually welcomed.
How do you prevent tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, or the Gowanus Canal, without government intervention?
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Old 10-16-2023, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Because this is the United States of America, and English has been our native language for the last 200+ years. We are the natives here, not those who choose to travel to here.....

And yet you can go to Europe and find plenty of people for whom English is NOT the "native language" of their country, and yet they can speak it quite fluently.



And show me where it is written that English is the "official" language. I'll wait.............................................. .................................................. .....................................
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Old 10-16-2023, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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It's not revulsion as much as it is availability of foreign language classes in the schools. Look at the time spent teaching to the test, worrying about who identifies as a human or a hamster, social promotion, etc. I have to wonder how many of the countries (where people speak 2 or more languages) don't have the level of diversity the US has?

Somehow my cousin, who grew up in central NY, is fluent in French, German (which was very handy when she was in Vienna doing research for her Master's and PH.D) and Italian. Only one of those languages is actually part of her ethnic background, from her father's side.
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Old 10-16-2023, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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OSHA and the EPA, for openers. They started out with good intentions, but like everything else, they overstepped their good. Everybody likes to bang the drum that American industry left the country because of high labor costs, but when the agencies are hovering over your business, with a microscope, invoking outrageous and very costly "operating standards", you look for somewhere else to operate, a place where you're actually welcomed.

You don't think safety standards for workers, and not trashing the environment are not important?



Back when I used to work for a steel company, there was a death out in the shop, a shop worker fell off of a ladder. This was on a Friday night, after the office, which is where I worked, closed. Monday morning we weren't open and I wasn't taking calls for more than a half hour and OSHA was already calling asking to speak to the head of the company. The fact of the matter is that that worker had no business being up on that ladder. He wasn't part of the maintenance crew, so why was he even up there?



I suppose you also think that we should let G.E. go back to dumping PCB's in the Hudson River, too. The dredging itself to remove the pollution caused its own share of damage.



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Old 10-16-2023, 07:26 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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^ That’s not what leadfoot4 is saying. You have reading deficiencies and or making things up. He never said safety standards for workers and trashing the environment were not important. Anyone who could read understood what he said, which is that those organizations over time, especially under Democrat administrations, tend to become too overbearing. You do understand that don’t you?
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Old 10-16-2023, 07:33 PM
 
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^ That’s not what leadfoot4 is saying. You have reading deficiencies and or making things up. He never said safety standards for workers and trashing the environment were not important. Anyone who could read understood what he said, which is that those organizations over time, especially under Democrat administrations, tend to become too overbearing. You do understand that don’t you?
Provide an example of the bolded.
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Old 10-16-2023, 09:12 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Provide an example of the bolded.
The Waters of the U.S. Rule passed by Obama. We already had water protection under the Clean Waters Act but his administration went beyond that, for example, making any puddle formed after a rainstorm on private land to fall under the silly federal definition of a waterway. Trump’s EPA removed the federal government overstep and gave authority back to the individual states to regulate.
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Old 10-17-2023, 06:09 AM
 
Location: western NY
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^ That’s not what leadfoot4 is saying. You have reading deficiencies and or making things up. He never said safety standards for workers and trashing the environment were not important. Anyone who could read understood what he said, which is that those organizations over time, especially under Democrat administrations, tend to become too overbearing. You do understand that don’t you?
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The Waters of the U.S. Rule passed by Obama. We already had water protection under the Clean Waters Act but his administration went beyond that, for example, making any puddle formed after a rainstorm on private land to fall under the silly federal definition of a waterway. Trump’s EPA removed the federal government overstep and gave authority back to the individual states to regulate.
Thank you!!

It's good to know that there are still some people who have a strong understanding of what used to be known as "common sense"! I used to work in manufacturing, and at one time, the corporation had a business unit that employed about 75 people who took back our used equipment and refurbished it, and returned it back to use.

Naturally, there were chemical based cleaning products used in this rebuilding operation. We followed the regulations that were in place, at the time. Over time, the government stepped in and began to put more severe regulations of how the operations could be carried out. It progressed to the point that we pretty much had to either curtail operations completely, or invest an even larger sum of money to purchase additional specialized equipment, above and beyond what we had already spent, in setting up this area.

The government of Mexico happened to hear of the dilemma and suggested that the operation be transferred to an available location there. Bottom line, it became cheaper to box up our old machines, ship them by rail, to Mexico, refurbish them there, then ship them back to the states for distribution to end users.

For all of the "eco-weenies" out there, consider this, IN THE "BIG PICTURE" OF THINGS.....

#1 My employer was doing a reasonable job in minimizing hazardous waste creation. The government kept "tightening the noose", to where it wasn't reasonable to continue the operation;

#2 Think of how much energy and natural resources were consumed in shipping these used machines from western NY to Mexico, then back;

#3 Mexico had very few, if any, restrictions on waste disposal, therefore, overall, the waste disposal in Mexico is creating more damage to the planet. However, Mexico is more interested in generating income, that's why American factories are leaving the US and heading there;

#4 For those who might then say that maybe those machines shouldn't have been reconditioned, but rather scrapped, given everything involved, then consider this....think of how much more energy, and possible by-products would be consumed/created in both scrapping/recycling process of the old machines, as well as building new machines.

#5 Bottom line, there is NO "free lunch", every action has a reaction. therefore "knee-jerk" reactions seldom work, if thoroughly examined.
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