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I have no reason to defend SF or that survey's methodology. I prefer living in NYC over SF, so it's not like I have some kind of bias in favor of SF and that's why I'm defending these results. I think it is the people who are "getting their panties in a bunch" (excuse the phrase but I know of no other more fitting) over another city being more walkable than NYC that are biased and not me. And no, I'm not "splitting hairs"; I am explaning a fairly basic concept of statistics. Sometimes reason needs to prevail over emotion/bias!
Do you know how hard it is to walk when there's scaffolding covering all the sidewalks? It narrows the walkable area by up to one-quarter. Then there are the slow pokes who you can't get around, the "street furniture" that you can't get around because the scaffolding's horizontal bars block the way around, never mind that they're ad hoc homeless shelters, etc.
The next mayor ought to put a moratorium on scaffolding and street construction; it all gets in the way of walking, that and those damned slow people!
I've never seen anyone have problems fitting through with scaffolding, and in Manhattan where they have the double scaffolding with the bars in the middle, it actually controls the walking traffic better as people are now walking in one direction on one side, and another on the other. But I ask, because I'm seriously wondering what this has to do with this thread, because that's obviously not the type of walkability that we're talking about.
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People in San Fran walk something like six blocks total every day. For one thing, there are too many hills for considerable walking. Any time I've been there and go walking I see very few people doing the same. Here in NYC everyone walks everywhere all the time. Thumbs down on that stupid list.
I AGREE WITH YOU! I spent two weeks in SF, and it was a torture for me because of the hills, which are exceedingly high and difficult to maneuver. The only place I saw people walking was by Chinatown and by the wharf, the rest were riding the trolley! THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND that this is a rigged list.
Hmmm. I think the only way SF is more of a walkable city than NYC is if you factor weather into the picture along with public transportation, nearby shopping, accidents etc. That might explain how LA is on the list too. Both areas have more moderate weather year round.
Yup, i lived in LA. NOT walkable =)
Also, my friends in bay area (San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose) all have cars. And so does all of their friends.
NY in the other hand, many people with good jobs do not own a car.
Perhaps because you don't really need a car in New York? You may decide that you want one--you may even convince yourself that you have to have one. But you don't need one.
I live in SF. NOT walkable. I have 3 cars and I actually use them. The nearest supermarket is 1 mile away. NOT walkable after you buy food. The nearest bank is 1.2 miles away, that is at least a 45 minute walk, NOT walkable. The nearest drug store 0.75 miles away... barely walkable. They are all a short drive away.
And the bus system is late >40% of the time so I cannot depend on it to commute either. NOT walkable.
People in San Fran walk something like six blocks total every day. For one thing, there are too many hills for considerable walking. Any time I've been there and go walking I see very few people doing the same. Here in NYC everyone walks everywhere all the time. Thumbs down on that stupid list.
I sure agree. I just returned from 10 days in NYC, and I don't think I've walked more in any city in my life. And it's FLAT. Upper-Eastside is a little more hilly, even reminds me somewhat of SF (though any similarity stops there). I have walked a lot in SF, too; however, since my health changed those hills have become a big challenge whenever I'm there now.
Nope, it's New York ~ all the way!
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