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Old 04-07-2017, 03:54 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I was only commenting on 30k for an individual, nor did I call it middle class. Just simply saying that making 30k these days does not flat out equal being poor.
For NYC (outer boroughs included) it might as well be. You can't get an apartment alone on that salary that's for sure.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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For NYC (outer boroughs included) it might as well be. You can't get an apartment alone on that salary that's for sure.
That's true. You can only get a room on that salary, even in the outer boroughs.

What makes NYC strange is that you will find people living okay on making 30k, if they rented their apartment 20 or more years ago or they got some kind of affordable housing. But beyond that you are right 30k isn't enough to live off in NYC.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:40 PM
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For NYC (outer boroughs included) it might as well be. You can't get an apartment alone on that salary that's for sure.
Not on your own no, but that's what having a roommate is for. Again, it depends on the age of the person.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:48 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Not on your own no, but that's what having a roommate is for. Again, it depends on the age of the person.
Oh yes a roommate (or three or four or six). How dumb of me. I guess that beats living in gubment housing.
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:22 PM
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Oh yes a roommate (or three or four or six). How dumb of me. I guess that beats living in gubment housing.
There are many who have just one.
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Old 04-07-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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Oh yes a roommate (or three or four or six). How dumb of me. I guess that beats living in gubment housing.
A college student could make $15 an hour on their part time job, and that isn't poor. An 18 year old could be living in a house owned by their parents, and if they get a job making $15 an hour, they aren't poor.

There's context. You cannot say everyone who makes $15 is living in poverty.

Malia Obama worked an internship on Girls. Entertainment industry interns now make the minimum wage. So is Malia poor? No, she was the President's daughter! She's in Bolivia and now she starts at Harvard in the fall.

Even the children of Presidents, to paid their resumes will take $15 an hour or so internships. And of course for a kid just starting to work $15 is good. It's about gaining experience, and learning how to deal with things at work. It doesn't mean you should do that job for the rest of your life, but you have to start out somewhere. You don't seem to appreciate that.

I'm sure whatever you made in your very first job is a lot less than what you're making now.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:35 AM
 
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I was saying this to somebody before , people who don’t live in manhattan think everyone who lives out here is rich but little do they now manhattan has about the same amount as projects as brooklyn , but manhattan being the smallest borough is very small compared to Brooklyn . But that’s what also makes manhattan great , you have rich and the poor living side by side . It gives the people from the projects a nice diversified neighborhood rather then being poor and surrounded by nothing but poor ( Bronx , and eastern parts of Brooklyn ) . It’s usually safer to , well besides living in the projects in Harlem lol .
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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It's interesting that Manhattan, a supposedly wealthy and prestigious place, has so many housing projects. I'm not talking about just the ones in harlem and east harlem but the massive housing projects in prime real estate, like the lower east side next to east river, chelsea, lincoln center, and even upper east side. What's even more shocking is that there's luxury condos right next to these projects!

If NYC wants to get to the next level and truly become a great city, it should imitate Chicago's model of urban development, which is the gold standard for all cities. Chicago has destroyed most of the housing projects near prime real estate, such as the infamous cabrini green, which is near gold coast. As a result, Chicago from the south loop all the way north to rogers park, is impeccably clean, safe, and thoroughly gentrified. There's very few homeless people and violent criminals roaming the streets at night.

NYC still has a long way to go, and I wish it the best of luck. The next mayor and the city council should study Chicago's model. After all, there's a reason why Chicago is the favorite to win the 2016 Olympics.

NYC doesn't want the olympics (bloomie wanted it) .... no NYC no Chicago. NYC is a vertical city where as chicago has more land mass to build on. And while I'm glad you are proud of your city that pesky murder rate detracts from your blathering about the great leveler known as gentrification.
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:38 AM
 
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NYC doesn't want the olympics (bloomie wanted it) .... no NYC no Chicago. NYC is a vertical city where as chicago has more land mass to build on. And while I'm glad you are proud of your city that pesky murder rate detracts from your blathering about the great leveler known as gentrification.
The Olympics doesn't want NYC. When they go to a city they expect the entire city and region to be ALL about the Olympics for the duration. There is simply too much happening in NYC on any given day that a majority of people wouldn't even be aware that the Olympics was happening. Same with the Super Bowl. We had it here and it was swallowed up by NYC. You barely even knew that it was happening.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Somewhere that cost too much
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If they were really working that hard they wouldn't still be in them. Real middle class people don't live in gubment housing paid for by tax payers. Those aren't middle class people. They're moochers.
I know this thread is old but jeeze...have you ever head of a thing called student loans, personal debt, medical bills, divorce...these are all some reasons why a "real middle class" person might find themselves needing to live in government housing.

Don't ever knock someone until you know their story or else one day you might find yourself in their shoes.
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