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Meatpacking clubs aren't for everyone. It can be really fun, but I agree it can be pretentious. This is why lately I only go out in Williamsburg, Bushwick, Greenpoint, EV, LES
I only wished Manhattan/Brooklyn would get rid of the cabaret laws and allow establishments to have dancing during nonpeak hours. It would be nice to have early dinner and do some dancing and not have to wait till 11pm. It be nice to go hear a DJ spin some "good music" for happy hour than be stuck with coworkers at some carbon copy establishment.
Gone are days when you go bar hopping at 9-12am, then club hopping from 12-6am. Then lounge going from 6am-10am. Wow those were the days when so many clubs, bars, and lounges exist. Today they are all condos and Starbucks.
Today clubs are too boring and upscale in comparison. Too many transplants go to bed by 2am. I remember at Tunnel or Limeight, you have non-NYers come in and leave after 2am then real NYers go in after 2am.
It's amazing how a long dead thread from 2008 just pops back to life.
I think a couple of issues with the decline of NYC's club scene have been missed.
- There are no good bad neighborhoods left to build clubs. The post-industrial wastelands that used to abut the decent residential and commercial areas, have all gone upscale residential. Upscale residents don't want a thumping club next door, and it's drunk patrons wandering their neighborhood (even if they did the same in there younger years.) This dovetails with another trend...
-... Kids. In previous eras, when NYers had hooked up to the point where they wanted to start popping out kids, they had the good sense to leave the city, and go out to the 'burbs, where they and their kids belonged. Now they stay, and start demanding that their neighborhoods become kid friendly. Generally speaking "nightlife" in any of the ways it tends to be defined, is NOT considered kid friendly.
There are other places now... Governor's island, Bushwick, Red Hook, etc. There is always a big EDM "warehouse-like" party in New York every weekend, they all advertise on specific websites/facebook pages nowadays, not in real life.
From my experience, much much much better ratio of women to guys than regular clubs, most guys are better educated/can hold a conversation, better venue most of the time (with rooftop access, balcony access, swimming pool etc), better service/faster drinks.
Those places are not convenient to go to. Late 90s there were plenty of superclubs in the urban core, and everyone knew of Palladium, Limelight, Twilo, the Roxy. These places were in the center of the metro area, and easy to get to from all the boroughs and Jersey. Bushwick is not a convenient location, nor is Red Hook or Governor's Island. So compared to what the city used to have, the nightlife is a shadow of it's former self.
It's amazing how a long dead thread from 2008 just pops back to life.
I think a couple of issues with the decline of NYC's club scene have been missed.
- There are no good bad neighborhoods left to build clubs. The post-industrial wastelands that used to abut the decent residential and commercial areas, have all gone upscale residential. Upscale residents don't want a thumping club next door, and it's drunk patrons wandering their neighborhood (even if they did the same in there younger years.) This dovetails with another trend...
-... Kids. In previous eras, when NYers had hooked up to the point where they wanted to start popping out kids, they had the good sense to leave the city, and go out to the 'burbs, where they and their kids belonged. Now they stay, and start demanding that their neighborhoods become kid friendly. Generally speaking "nightlife" in any of the ways it tends to be defined, is NOT considered kid friendly.
I think point A had already been mentioned, but just not with as much detail as you have. And it's not just residential towers that have consumed post industrial wastelands. West Side of Manhattan has office towers (Hudson Yards), LIC has a combination of residential towers and office buildings, and Manhattanville was purchased by Columbia University.
The era of superclub only existed when white flight combined with manufacturing and shipping leaving the city created those post industrial wastelands.
Which brings me to another point. In those days you had people who lived in Manhattan itself and who didn't pay much money to rent a room in a tenement. All they had to do is work part time/hustle up some money/do welfare, and they could party all night. Gentrification got rid of the cheap rents, and as a result people have to work full time just to pay for a room. Which substantially kills the ability of people to go out.
I don't think these changes are a bad thing, the superclub era took place in a dying city and the instant the city's economy recovered that stuff was going to have to go.
As someone who has been involved in nightlife since the mid 90's (with house music, techno parties only)if you are complaining then you obviously dont know where to go. Rudy G changed nyc nightlife for the worse thats a fact.
If you're into bottles and models type of clubs that are only hot for a few months or 1-2yrs then you're part of the problem being a sheep. If you're into clubs that only plays music that you hear on the radio all the time, stay home and stop complaining.
If you're a bar/lounge person too, lots of places for you to enjoy.
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