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Old 07-16-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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I just coughed out my cereal laughing so hard at all the propaganda and slander against Shanghai. I'm sorry your city is filthy and filled with urine-scented homeless people while you breath in that toxic smog and listen to all the jackasses NYC is so popularly known for. I know it's hard that you wait anywhere between 7-15 minutes for your transit to finally work and that you have to pay crazy high amounts for all of that crap, but really now picking on another city? That's a new low.

Anybody who's ever been to Shanghai knows how much better it is than NYC. People don't even compare it anymore. They've moved on to comparing it with Stockholm, Tokyo, and Paris. Shanghai is cleaner, its people more civilized, its culture more refined, and its atmosphere more enjoyable. In Shanghai you don't hear loud yelling cussing pedestrians dat can' even taulk rite! In Shanghai you expect if not demand your transit to come on time every time. Rush hour 1-2 minutes regular times 2-4 minutes. In Shanghai they spend lots of money to hire round the clock servicemen to make sure there's no garbage on the streets and sidewalks. There are waste baskets and recycling bins on every corner AND one in the middle of each block. The very few homeless people you might find due to the tremendous migration to the city know enough about hygiene to be clean even if they are homeless. Yes, there are tons of cars just like in NYC. The difference is they actually know how to drive. Accident rates are much lower in Shanghai screw that in all of China than in NYC alone nevermind the rest of the US. Speaking of accidents, crime rates are also much lower, lower than even Canada and you know many regions in Canada they leave their doors open on warm summer nights. You can hop on any transportation service and use the same transit card. In NYC the metrocard is only good for MTA transit. You need mucho dinero for taxis and Greyhound and Amtrak. The people there also know the value of normal exercise. Modern generations take to gyms like in NYC but older ones prefer just going to the park, doing some yoga, taichi, badmitten, ping pong and even just going for a stroll. All of these things cost a fortune in NYC since they are only available in indoor gyms and classes. But I will defend NYC they are trying. Ping pong is now available at 10 min a piece at Bryant Park. Nightlife and the scene are all amazing in Shanghai. Besides the usual NYC drinking and nightclubs, Shanghai lets you find internet cafes and bars, discos, ice skating, indoor skiing/snowboarding, archery, billiards, basketball, soccer, sports centers, video gaming environments for things like laser tag, FPS, DDR, and yes WoW, and the infamous karaoke. And yes, most of the sports and recreation is free and outdoor when possible. Sex trafficking is illegal and enforced in China. Just watching porn can get you arrested. Can't say the same for New York's finest. They might just watch Jenna Jameson with you. Cases of cop sodomy, rape, and rape/homocide aren't uncommon in NYC, but they are unheard of capital punishment crimes in any city in China.

Cancer is a growing epidemic in China, but it still hasn't reached the levels found in the US and many other major cities of the world. In fact, it hasn't even cracked the top ten. America is #7. Taiwan is #29.

The kids have to work hard very hard in China. This is very true and the reason it is so true is that Chinese are very very competitive in education. Shanghai is one of the leading cities in education and it shows. Think of some of the famous Chinese you know. Chances are they are Shanghainese. Yao Ming? Yup. Liu Xiang? Check. Yoyo Ma? You betcha! Even the comedic actor Steven Chow is actually Shanghainese who rose to fame in Hong Kong. It's the competitiveness that leads many Shanghainese to places like London, Paris, Rome, Moscow, and Tokyo. Notice how I didn't say NYC.

Last and I think this is the most important, unlike America that's had a common history of slavery with Europe which was only solved about 100 years ago with a Civil War, China's never in all its 5000 years of history had slavery. Servants yes. Peasants yes. Slaves never. That's actually one of the major reasons the CCP kicked out the Dalai Lama and stopped his rule of Tibet. The misconception came about from the different perception of slaves and servants between East and West. Since slaves were unpaid laborers in Europe and America, this was the general rule of thumb for slavery and slave labor. That's why in-house servants in China were considered slaves. Eunuchs who are actually advisers to the emperor were considered slaves. You can find this misconstrued information on wikipedia. The difference between a western slave and a Chinese servant is that these servants are supported by their masters not beaten and abused. They live in their own rooms and are given a position of respect in the household. Servants of the head of the household can take nearly the same disciplinary actions on children of the household. These children may grow up to consider the servants more like uncles or mentors even as they take control of the household. Some servants and members of the household can grow close enough to start a relationship and marry. Children of servants are seen as cousins to children in the household. There was also one story I happened to see about prisoners of war. Since the generals of Chinese armies all know a soldier is only following orders, defeated soldiers in battle are usually granted amnesty at the conclusion of a war and either returned to their homes or allowed to relocate to China. No colloseums or slave trades are known in China.

So talking smack about Shanghai? Fahgettaboudit!
I'm glad a Shanghai resident posted in here... I'm in Shanghai for the weekend. Where would you recommend I buy a book about the Tiananmen square protests of 1989?
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:03 PM
 
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A lot of insecure Chinese people trying to show how superior they are to America. You don't see Americans posting on Chinese forums about how superior NYC is to Shanghai, do you? Because we don't care about that filthy third-world town full of people who **** on the street.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:26 AM
 
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Both are metropolises, and I will compare the life in both cities. Just my personal comparison, no need to criticize me.

1) Food. No need to say, Shanghai is best. At 2Am at night, if I want hot spicy Sichuan soup, I can walk out of my apartment and walk two blocks and can have it immediately. Where in New York can you get this at 2 AM at night? In NYC, only good food you can get at 2Am at night is mcdonalds and hotdogs. And in Shanghai, there are literally every restaurant at every street corner, and you can gather all your friends at eat hotpot until 3 am at night in any restaurant, and yell and scream and be as loud as you want, absoultely great! In New York, no way.

2) Entertainment. Night life is much better in Shanghai. Karaoke, massage, video game bars, all kinds of sex bars, everything within 3 block radius. You can be out with friends till 5am at night, and enjoy everything. In New York, what do you have? Other than drinking, what else? Nothing else. Don't tell me about Lincoln Center, about Opera, musicals, etc. I"m not interested in these kind of "high level" stuff. I want massage, karaoke, etc.

3) Transportation. In Shanghai, subway and buses run like every 3 minutes. In New York, I wait in the subway station without AC for 15 mins for a train, and it turns out it's detoured. Ridiculous. My visitors to new york are all shocked to see how horrible the transportation is.

4) Culture. Don't tell me about high level culture like opera or musicals. If I want to read a book by Hillary clinton in Chinese or the translated works of the late Argentinian author, I can do it in China immediately by going to the local book city (a 10 story mega bookstore). In NYC, can you find the latest book by the latest Chinese essayist translated in English in Barnes Noble or Borders? I can cannot. I can only try to find it on some obscure chinese online book site. Every barnes nobel have only commerical books and at most 2 stories high. THe book collection is pathetic and non-diverse.

5) Education. New York is better no doubt.

6) Jobs. New York is better given its financial center. But Asia is catching up very quickly.

7) Weather. Same

Conclusion, New York City is much worse than Shanghai. Much much worse.
I visited Shanghai last November.

Both cities are international financial centers of their countries. Both have a rich tradition of immigrants from other countries besides the local inhabitants.

As for food, in both cities one can find food 24/7. In NYC there are diners that are open 24/7 that serve a variety of different types of food. In Shanghai one can find local Chinese food late at night.

In both cities you have late night entertainment which are typical for large cities. In both cities one can jazz clubs and late night bars. Other types of entertainment is connected to the different culture of the country that each city is located in.

Both cities had subway systems. The one in Shanghai is much newer and more modern than the one in NYC. But the one in NYC is much more extensive and covers a much large area of the city than the one in Shanghai. Both of them have air-conditioned trains that run quite frequently during the day time hours.

Both cities are cultural centers with local cultural events. As for books, both cities have large book stores. But the content of the books in NYC is more varied as there are no government restrictions on the content of the books the way there is in China.

There are more educational options in NYC than in Shanghai and the level in NYC is higher.

As for jobs I am not sure what the situation is during the current economic crisis but I would venture that it is still better in NYC but Shanghai is probably catching up.

The weather is similar in both cities. But the pollution in general is higher in China than in the USA and therefore the pollution is also higher in Shanghai than in NYC.

The biggest advantage of NYC over Shanghai is that it is in the democratic USA whereas Shanghai is in the communist China.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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ssshhhooo, you can find that at almost any editorial vender selling pre-economic reform reading material. They even have novelty Mao's little red books! LOL Many of these are propagandized to hide what really happened in Tiananmen, but you'll find some of them are pretty straight forward and give some personal accounts about the massacre. But if you want the best resources for those things, the internet is your friend. You can find tons of Chinese discussion boards for that stuff. So I guess what I'm saying is for fun you can try some of the old reads some vendors sell, but if you're doing research, seek out the Chinese websites and discussion boards. Baidu Baike is a good one.

upineastharlem, your name pretty much sums up how filled with anti-Chinese BS you're likely to be. At least us "insecure" Chinese are secure enough to venture out into the world and talk out both good and bad about our people. If we find exaggerated accounts promoting things like green tea, we'll tell you that green tea extracts in body wash is laugh out loud funny. If we find outlandish propaganda against a bustling vibrant city, we'll tell you so too. Why don't you leave the comfort of your roach infested tenement and check out what the rest of the world is doing?

Honestly it isn't because of Shanghai that I'm making fun of NYC. NYC is just that easy to make fun of. If this was about Taipei vs NYC I'd still have lots of fun. If this was Hong Kong vs NYC, there lots for me to say. If this was about even San Francisco vs NYC, NYC wouldn't stand a chance. You know I could just use the MTA and that'd be enough for most other cities. Most of the places outside US I've been have clean subway systems that actually work and you know have air conditioning on brutal summer days? They also have safety down there. I can't even keep count of how many reports I've seen of people getting pushed into the tracks and there was even that one time some woman actually walked into them! But no all of those reports and incidents that's just me being "insecure."
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:15 AM
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? They also have safety down there. I can't even keep count of how many reports I've seen of people getting pushed into the tracks and there was even that one time some woman actually walked into them! But no all of those reports and incidents that's just me being "insecure."
You know about those things becuase of freedom of the press. It would be stupid of you to think that where information is so tightly controlled you can rely on the press as an indication of what is actually happening right?
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:56 AM
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I think it is somewhat true that NYC can be viewed as somewhat behind and lagging in terms of modernization and technology is concerned when compared with the more modernized asian cities such as Tokyo, Hong Kong, Seoul and Shanghai. These new cities also do offer more consumer services due to the inexpensive labor. But you really are not comparing apple to apple. For example, someone commented how dirty and inefficient the NYC subways are. Just wondering what other subway system runs 24/7 and I would like to see other cities run their system 24/7 and then take a look at how clean and efficient they are. The Chrysler Building and Empire State Building was completed in 1930 and 1931 respectively and they are over 80yrs old and still standing. Chrysler Building is still the tallest brick building in the world. Wonder what the asian buidings will look like after 80yrs or will they even exist at that point.

NYC stands on a different class altogether. It is the one of the cultural mecca of the world and still is the financial center to the world. NYC is the standard other cities are compared against.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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Y'know I wouldn't be so quick to criticize China in a NYC vs. Shanghai debate. From NYC you don't have to cross any oceans to see massive corruption. Just look at "the South". Yea, the part of the country most New Yorkers would hope nobody notices. For every 1 guy that gets killed by cops and goes unpunished there's seriously like 3 or 4 you don't see. Or what about "the Heartland"? aka son to be a desert since our government pays farmers not to grow since wheat and corn are about only major goods exports...

I've traveled a lot of the US but not China so I can't know how to solve that equation but, NYC > the rest of the US. I might visit China but, I've been brainwashed into thinking that if I ask questions there I might not come back. If that's truly the case then definitely US > China
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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C8N if you really took the subways at night and late night you'd know how silly you just sounded. Sure its open all night long. But its even worse then. Talk about waiting 7-15 minutes during rush hour, a few times when I was traveling with pals at late nights around 3AM we were waiting there on average close to an hour. I get that it might be the only subway that runs 24/7 but is that really an excuse for having no a/c, rats, bed bugs, and the all too common smell of urine? Tokyo runs from 5-24 and is beautifully clean and efficient. The London Tube runs near 24 hrs and is the most efficient in the world. I think I'm well within my rights to say NYC needs to shape up.

Yes RageX there is alot of people who think if you ask a question about China it'll get sucked into the blackhole of communist cover up. That's like 1963 crap. lol In China these days, as long as you're respectful you can talk about anything. Like I was telling ssshhhooo, just go to Chinese discussion boards. You'll see just how vocal Chinese people can be about anything. Shanghainese are actually more held back than even some rural communities due to cultural differences.

Lastly bg7, take a look at this picture. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...en_Station.jpg Tell me if I need a report to tell me that nobody is going to be walking into the tracks.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:12 PM
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C8N if you really took the subways at night and late night you'd know how silly you just sounded. Sure its open all night long. But its even worse then. Talk about waiting 7-15 minutes during rush hour, a few times when I was traveling with pals at late nights around 3AM we were waiting there on average close to an hour. I get that it might be the only subway that runs 24/7 but is that really an excuse for having no a/c, rats, bed bugs, and the all too common smell of urine? Tokyo runs from 5-24 and is beautifully clean and efficient. The London Tube runs near 24 hrs and is the most efficient in the world. I think I'm well within my rights to say NYC needs to shape up.
While i am going to agree that there are areas where improvements can be made, my 30yr experience as a New Yorker begs to differ from your exaggerations based on your limited runs with the NYC subways. Yes, if you are drunk at 4AM, it may seem "close to an hour" for the next train to arrive. In actuality, its probably less than 30 minutes. However, I will say some lines perform better while others not so well. Having said that, 7-15 minute wait is not reflective of the entire subway system. The system as a whole during rush hour, I would say 5 minutes on the average unless there are some construction that is taking place.

You are going to have trade offs when you have a system that runs 24/7 and such trade off is the maintenance. For me, it is an amazing feat that NYC subways runs as well as it does considering it does run 24/7. London nor Tokyo runs their system 24/7. They are able to shut down their system for maintenance. Again, there is a trade off. Which one an individual prefers is a matter of opinion. Since I still do like have a drink or two after work, I for one, would rather have a system that is available when I need it.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:43 PM
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Lastly bg7, take a look at this picture. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...en_Station.jpg Tell me if I need a report to tell me that nobody is going to be walking into the tracks.
Yea - thats sums it up perfectly - No freedom!
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