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And there you have it. At a time when the city, state, and federal governments are all struggling just to provide basic services, they are financing a new stadium, on top of a well used public park, so that fewer fans can pay more to see ballgames and tear down the house that ruth built. Oh yeah, this is also at the same time they are awarding hundred million dollar contracts to their players, while asking for government handouts that are costing us extraordinary amounts of money. Just this week, they are asking the state for another 300+ hundred million dollars in bonds.
This stadium had no support from the community. The promises made by the yankees, like hiring construction workers from the bronx, was a hoax. And the tax assessments and cost estimates done by the Yankees were totally out of line with reality for their benefit. This is the biggest taxpayer ripoff ever, because not only will they be generating less tax revenue for decades, as the government has granted them tax exceptions, but stadiums never have a substantial positive inpact on a community, and you can look to any stadium EVER built to support that claim. As someone who lives across the street from the park now being claimed for private use for the yankees, it kills me to think public money is being used clearly for the benefit of the very few owners of that institution, at the huge cost of everybody else. Even ESPN, of all news outlets, was critical of this new stadium as are the thousands that will no longer be able to attend as there are fewer seats and they will be far more expensive.
Your vendetta against the Yankees has been well noted. So now you are restorting to nonsensical arguments to prove your point. Please tell me what government agency or large corporation DOESN'T mismanage funds? I think we would all like to know. The fact remains that it DID have the support of SOME in the community, however the community, borough, and city is better off WITH Yankee Stadium staying put than leaving the city. Unless you think otherwise? Kinda like having AIG remain in business by giving them $150 Billion bailout...the alternative is much worse. When you understand the bigger picture, and the economy, you will know why things like this happen. In the end, it is the lesser of 2 evils...welcome to adulthood..we must make choices and life isn't fair! As a result of the Yankees staying, there is a new stadium, there is major infrastructure improvements like new sidewalks, streets, street lights, pavilions, benches, a new waterfront park, the new Gateway Center including a Target, Best Buy, Marshalls, Toys-R-Us, a new Metro-North station, and a general rehabbing of housing and other investments....which ALL benefit the community directly AND indirectly. But hey you can just whine about the "evil Yankees", and dismiss all the REAL benefits that the community will be enjoying.
And there you have it. At a time when the city, state, and federal governments are all struggling just to provide basic services, they are financing a new stadium, on top of a well used public park, so that fewer fans can pay more to see ballgames and tear down the house that ruth built. Oh yeah, this is also at the same time they are awarding hundred million dollar contracts to their players, while asking for government handouts that are costing us extraordinary amounts of money. Just this week, they are asking the state for another 300+ hundred million dollars in bonds.
This stadium had no support from the community. The promises made by the yankees, like hiring construction workers from the bronx, was a hoax. And the tax assessments and cost estimates done by the Yankees were totally out of line with reality for their benefit. This is the biggest taxpayer ripoff ever, because not only will they be generating less tax revenue for decades, as the government has granted them tax exceptions, but stadiums never have a substantial positive inpact on a community, and you can look to any stadium EVER built to support that claim. As someone who lives across the street from the park now being claimed for private use for the yankees, it kills me to think public money is being used clearly for the benefit of the very few owners of that institution, at the huge cost of everybody else. Even ESPN, of all news outlets, was critical of this new stadium as are the thousands that will no longer be able to attend as there are fewer seats and they will be far more expensive.
Doesn't anybody else think this is a ripoff??
The positive side to the new stadium is the gentrification it sparked in that area. That area is much safer with new condos and co-ops being built which will attract a better type of people who would not destroy their neighborhood like the ones currently living there.
And there you have it. At a time when the city, state, and federal governments are all struggling just to provide basic services, they are financing a new stadium, on top of a well used public park, so that fewer fans can pay more to see ballgames and tear down the house that ruth built. Oh yeah, this is also at the same time they are awarding hundred million dollar contracts to their players, while asking for government handouts that are costing us extraordinary amounts of money. Just this week, they are asking the state for another 300+ hundred million dollars in bonds.
This stadium had no support from the community. The promises made by the yankees, like hiring construction workers from the bronx, was a hoax. And the tax assessments and cost estimates done by the Yankees were totally out of line with reality for their benefit. This is the biggest taxpayer ripoff ever, because not only will they be generating less tax revenue for decades, as the government has granted them tax exceptions, but stadiums never have a substantial positive inpact on a community, and you can look to any stadium EVER built to support that claim. As someone who lives across the street from the park now being claimed for private use for the yankees, it kills me to think public money is being used clearly for the benefit of the very few owners of that institution, at the huge cost of everybody else. Even ESPN, of all news outlets, was critical of this new stadium as are the thousands that will no longer be able to attend as there are fewer seats and they will be far more expensive.
Doesn't anybody else think this is a ripoff??
I have all along. I have passed the new stadium riding the #4 to work and thinking here is another cathedral to the privileged.
Stac...what would you rather have done? Poured another billion dollars into the black hole that is the public school system? Talk about a government entity that MISMANAGES gargantuan sums of money...geez. Or maybe built more train lines in an area that is already well served by trains? Cuz jackson believes trains are the answer to society's problems.
The positive side to the new stadium is the gentrification it sparked in that area. That area is much safer with new condos and co-ops being built which will attract a better type of people who would destroy their neighborhood like the ones currently living there.
Thats pretty insulting considering I DO live in the neighborhood, and along with my neighbors I know in the building, are well educated, hardworking, and care about the community. And for the most part, that's what this community is composed of, other than some obvious exceptions. And I'd rather have that than some semi-rich, weed smoking, cocaine snorting, and LSD using lazy out of town kids who will do more to contribute to the drug trafficking than the small amount of money currently made by residents. And as far as gentification, obviously you haven't been to this neighborhood. There are no new stores, and the crime may be down but that can be attributed to the fact that most nights it is like a police state, where you get interrogated and searched half the time you casually walk out of your apartment. Trust me, that is not going to spur any gentrification.
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what a foolish question. Maybe when you get older, a little bit wiser, you will come to understand the ways of the world and realize that the yankees were never going anywhere. I can garuntee you they in no way would have left NYC, government handout or not. They just signed over 400 million dollars in player contracts alone. With that kind of profit, they easily could have built their stadium without a handout.
Jackson..I understand why you would think the gentrification argument is insulting..b/c it is. I agree that the community is generally good with bad apples that mess things up for everyone else. That being said, you are being very hypocritical by promoting FALSE sterotypes as well: "ome semi-rich, weed smoking, cocaine snorting, and LSD using lazy out of town kids who will do more to contribute to the drug trafficking than the small amount of money currently made by residents". You lose alot of credibility when you do the same thing you claim to be a victim of. Regarding your claim that "there are no new stores".....are you blind? Did you not notice the 1 million or so sf of new retail space that includes a Target, Best Buy, Marshalls, Home Depot, Toys-R-Us, Babies-R-Us, and a few restuarants too? And that is just the beginning..yes things are changing. And as for the "police state" that is untrue..unless of course you enjoy hanging out with the homies at 4am at the bodega..in which case...you should expect to be questioned. That's life. We will never know whether the Yankees were leaving or not...how do you know? I did not realize you were involved in the private discussions...
Obviously that was an extremely generalized statement to make the point that it wont necessarily "will attract a better type of people who would not destroy their neighborhood like the ones currently living there," which was an extremely insulting and stereotypical statement. You're right, I should have taken the high road there. And no, there are no new stores on 167, 161, jerome ave or grand concourse, a.k.a. streets that actually serve the community. And no, I do not hang out at a bodega, ever, or outside in general. But when i do walk to the train, especially at night, or go for a jog, I do always have to worry about police vans surrounding me with ten police officers frisking me and releasing me after finding nothing and scanning my license to check for warrants. That is totally unprovoked, but commonplace for my neighborhood, which i can actually speak for because i live there.
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Stac...what would you rather have done? Poured another billion dollars into the black hole that is the public school system? Talk about a government entity that MISMANAGES gargantuan sums of money...geez. Or maybe built more train lines in an area that is already well served by trains? Cuz jackson believes trains are the answer to society's problems.
wow man what a misrepresentation of my ideas. This area is OBVIOUSLY well served by trains. When did I EVER suggest that these neighborhoods were not?? I said 3rd Ave, which used to be served by the EL, and was planned to have replaced with a subway which never happened, should happen. That's what I have suggested all along because that corridor is NOT well served by public transport, which is a prerequisite for high density development which this city needs to have adequate housing capacity to meed the huge residential demand. Obivously, you wouldn't understand that though if you think that the Yankee stadium project is good urban/public policy. note the condescending tone in my argument. I learned that from you.
And as far as other money wasted by government, I agree, they waste in public schools. But we're not talking about public schools, we're talking about a stadium. I mean, at least with schools they are trying to educate. What justification is there for a smaller stadium at the expense of taxpayers, so fewer fans can pay more to watch games?
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