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The ghettos in Brooklyn are shrinking, while the ghettos in the Bronx have spread and is getting more dense. The BX doesn't have to worry about gentrification for a while. Plus the Bronx is where everyone goes when they are priced out of their neighborhood
Yeah but once Uptown gets gentrified, whose to say they wont continue their expansion right over the bridge into the western Bronx neighborhoods?
I think neighborhoods like Morrisania, Mott Haven, Melrose, Soundview and the northeast Bronx are the only neighborhoods safe from gentrification due to the amount of housing projects. For the rest..... say so long
Yeah but once Uptown gets gentrified, whose to say they wont continue their expansion right over the bridge into the western Bronx neighborhoods?
I think neighborhoods like Morrisania, Mott Haven, Melrose, Soundview and the northeast Bronx are the only neighborhoods safe from gentrification due to the amount of housing projects. For the rest..... say so long
Gentrification isn't a bad thing. A lot of people see it as "These people want to make NYC into a suburb where only white people live and it will loose all its culture and blah blah blah" Gentrifcation is just making the area safe to live in and much cleaner. So what if the bronx gains a few white people, it could use it (51% hispanic, 14% white, and the rest black or asian). Harlem got gentrified and its still the historical black capital of america. They didn't destroy the Apollo theater or force everyone who lives there to move. They just made it so people could walk around without being afraid of getting shot. I AGREE with you when gentrification destroys diversity and culture which is not good, but the bronx needs help, over 30% of the population is below the poverty line.
Gentrification isn't a bad thing. A lot of people see it as "These people want to make NYC into a suburb where only white people live and it will loose all its culture and blah blah blah" Gentrifcation is just making the area safe to live in and much cleaner. So what if the bronx gains a few white people, it could use it (51% hispanic, 14% white, and the rest black or asian). Harlem got gentrified and its still the historical black capital of america. They didn't destroy the Apollo theater or force everyone who lives there to move. They just made it so people could walk around without being afraid of getting shot. I AGREE with you when gentrification destroys diversity and culture which is not good, but the bronx needs help, over 30% of the population is below the poverty line.
miamikid you always make this connection between gentrification and safety which is inaccurate......harlem didnt get safer because of gentrification, its the other way around....harlem is getting gentrified because it got safer........hipsters and yuppies dont fight crime, police do....and its not so much a racial issue but more of a class issue.......and if the bronx does get gentrified how will that help that 30% living below the poverty line? those people will still be poor...or will the hipsters be in patterson projects handing out savings bonds and job applications?
miamikid you always make this connection between gentrification and safety which is inaccurate......harlem didnt get safer because of gentrification, its the other way around....harlem is getting gentrified because it got safer........hipsters and yuppies dont fight crime, police do....and its not so much a racial issue but more of a class issue.......and if the bronx does get gentrified how will that help that 30% living below the poverty line? those people will still be poor...or will the hipsters be in patterson projects handing out savings bonds and job applications?
Are you serious? You're basically suggesting Harlem just magically got safer over night and became desirable place to live? NO. I think people who were sick of lower Manhattan being expensive built new apartment buildings there and opened stores which brought a new influx of people which made the real estate in the area worth more which made it wealthier and wealthier generally = safer. Also there is no way to help the 30% of people in the bronx living in poverty, it's a never ending cycle and they will never get out of poverty so the only solution is to get rid of a lot of the projects and start appealing to people with more money and it won't solve the poor people's problems but it will make the bronx a safer and more desirable place to live.
Are you serious? You're basically suggesting Harlem just magically got safer over night and became desirable place to live? NO. I think people who were sick of lower Manhattan being expensive built new apartment buildings there and opened stores which brought a new influx of people which made the real estate in the area worth more which made it wealthier and wealthier generally = safer. Also there is no way to help the 30% of people in the bronx living in poverty, it's a never ending cycle and they will never get out of poverty so the only solution is to get rid of a lot of the projects and start appealing to people with more money and it won't solve the poor people's problems but it will make the bronx a safer and more desirable place to live.
So where were these hipsters from 1975-1994? They were nowhere to be found. Crime was enough to keep them away. If you lived in Harlem during those days you were very likely going to be a victim of crime so imagine being white, you'd be guranteed dead! The fear kept the hipsters and yups away. When the city got safer that's when the people started moving in.
There may be 30% of people in poverty but not everyone of them is a criminal. Alot of them are poor families trying to make ends meet. That is exactly the reason to not want gentirfication. Those poor families are having enough trouble as it is. If yuppies move in, these families will get displaced as there is no other place in NYC to go.
????? Oh yea cause every white person is helpless prey. None of them can handle themselves on the streets. Gimme a break man.
Not trying to make this into a race debate but in NYC whites very would throw down (fight back) on a black/hispanic person. If they are getting robbed they usually let themselves get robbed. Or they just run away if they are sorrounded. I'd doubt they stand up to 15 black dudes on 135th and Lennox ave in 1990.
They cant handle themselves on the streets because they aren't from the streets.
So you dont want to make it a race thing yet you make assumptions that no white people are/were from the streets??? Your posts just get funnier and funnier.
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Not trying to make this into a race debate but in NYC whites very would throw down (fight back) on a black/hispanic person. If they are getting robbed they usually let themselves get robbed. Or they just run away if they are sorrounded. I'd doubt they stand up to 15 black dudes on 135th and Lennox ave in 1990.
They cant handle themselves on the streets because they aren't from the streets.
For starters dont call me clueless. What im saying is you seem to think if a person other than white maliciously approachs a white person, that white person will automatically back down and run away with there tail between there legs? Is this true to you? And what im also getting from you is that if a white person is getting jumped by multiple people that arnt white they will run? Well that I can agree with cause what kind of P**sies need multiple people to jump one other person, Id run too.
Whites dont share that ghetto-thug mentality that unfortunately plagues many African Americans and Latinos. They will rather avoid trouble. So if somebody attempts to rob them, they give them what they want because they want to avoid a confrotation. A Black Or Latino person will probably end up fighting. Now there are exceptions in both cases. But that's what usually happens. Same with getting jumped. A person of any race would run, you're right. But alot of Blacks and Latinos have this superman mentality. Like the Brownsville slogan states, "Never ran never will".
They aren't usually in the same hoods. Conflicts arise in hoods that are gentrifying usually. However, whites in other parts of the country who are of lower income than the ones in NYC have similar characteristics of blacks and latinos here in NYC.
But in general whites in NYC are very well off people that dont get caught up in ****.
Your making "alittle" more sense now. Although youd be suprised how many NYC whites back in the day would put up a fight that would make your head spin (against multiple people too). As far as the yuppies moving into north Jersey and NYC that I can agree with , they would probebly rather fork over the cash than risk serious injury.
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dude gentrfication isn't all bad
