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A movie theater is a different operational model, since the profits are made on the concessions for the theater owner, as the movie ticket price pays the royalties to screen the film and the operating expenses.
And, while many businesses may have benefited from public funds, not all of it was in such a blatant fashion as these two stadiums, which is why it's a lightning rod for many. The stadiums were conceived when conspicuous consumption was fashionable, so their openings stand as a testament as to the anachronisms of that era, now that many are concerned with value for expenditures.
It's part of the ballpark experience to eat and drink at the game, which is why many will pay the prices (myself included), but do not receive the full value for the expenditure, given the seriously overpriced options. I think fewer people would complain if certain factors were built into the price of the ticket, which the Yankees have done at the club level and suite level for the highest priced tickets in the stadium.
I don't see why it's such an issue if people have a legitimate question as to why they are paying twice for the ambiance of the dining room/club at either stadium, since they have already done so in the price of the ticket in the first place. It's a question, not a complaint, because of the unchecked greed that has characterized organized team sports in recent years, where it's not about the fans as it once was, but more about the bottom line and exacting every dollar possible from each unit, not fan, but unit.
BMW you are choosing to hold the stadium at a different standard based on wrong assumptions. I understand the outrage many people have at the tax payer subsidy, BUT ALL COMPANIES RECEIVE BOTH DIRECT AND INDIRECT CORPORATE TAX BREAKS, SUBSIDIES, LOOPHOLES AND WELFARE. Yes the stadium is lavish and beautiful, and many people wrongfully believe it is a "testament to conspicuous consumption", but that assessment is as wrong as the opinion that the new Freedom Tower is a testament to waste, corruption, and overly indulgent. Both are a testament in fact to the power and influence of America, the revitalization of NYC, the investment in the future, and the reaffirmantion of NYC as a major global player (if not THE global player). Furthermore, who says that eating and drinking at the game are part of the experience? The true experience of a ballpark is in fact sharing the experience with a loved one, like a son/daughter, family, or friends...the hot dog and booze is superfluous and has no relevance anymore than buying Mike & Ike's are to the "movie going experience." You are perceiving what it means to have the ballpark experience, and since you feel you **should** or **deserve** to have that, you expect the Stadium to provide it to you at the price YOU deem fair and reasonable? The market will determine that, and since you are part of the "market", the best way for you to achieve your goal is to NOT buy any of it, or not even go to the game, and make sure your friends do the same...and prices WILL come down, and you may get what you want. Welcome to the real world. And lastly, the unchecked greed is RAMPANT in every industry, business, and venture..that is the American way (or have you not seen the near collapse of our financial and investment industry, among others?). This is nothing new or unique to sports franchises, and as a result, I repeat, WHY ARE YOU HOLDING THEM THEN TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD? It is our society as a whole that has been devaluing people as just a vehicle to money and nothing more...consumerism at all costs....it is not the Yankees that has dehumanized people.
A movie theater is a different operational model, since the profits are made on the concessions for the theater owner, as the movie ticket price pays the royalties to screen the film and the operating expenses.
And, while many businesses may have benefited from public funds, not all of it was in such a blatant fashion as these two stadiums, which is why it's a lightning rod for many. The stadiums were conceived when conspicuous consumption was fashionable, so their openings stand as a testament as to the anachronisms of that era, now that many are concerned with value for expenditures.
It's part of the ballpark experience to eat and drink at the game, which is why many will pay the prices (myself included), but do not receive the full value for the expenditure, given the seriously overpriced options. I think fewer people would complain if certain factors were built into the price of the ticket, which the Yankees have done at the club level and suite level for the highest priced tickets in the stadium.
I don't see why it's such an issue if people have a legitimate question as to why they are paying twice for the ambiance of the dining room/club at either stadium, since they have already done so in the price of the ticket in the first place. It's a question, not a complaint, because of the unchecked greed that has characterized organized team sports in recent years, where it's not about the fans as it once was, but more about the bottom line and exacting every dollar possible from each unit, not fan, but unit.
Part of my experience doesn't include drinking warm beer and a small hot dog that I could have purchased cheaper at a stand right down the block, but to each his own I guess.
i did some digging and found the actual link. this person even admits on their 2nd post in the 4th paragraph, that they failed to realize the all-you-can eat deal.
Thanks for the clarification...it was the poster's own ignorance that cost him $48 for a burger and fries, and not the fault of Yankee stadium. When you don't READ and KNOW what you are paying for, these things happen. But again, its easy to shout and scream how Yankee stadium is evil and money hungry rather than taking responsibility for your own mistakes. He even blames the waiter for not informing him, although it was ON THE MENU. The waiter now must read the menu to you? Gotta love people.
as for myself id rather not go to a game then sit in the bleachers....
it must be tough telling your kids they cant get a soda or hot dog ....
to tell you the truth if it wasnt for the french fries i dont think i could still tolerate sitting thru a baseball game its so slow moving most of the time..
i need sports that have a little more blood and broken bones to hold my attention lol...
Good grief...such anger directed at me over an opinion as to how the stadium operates, but I forgot that it's in The Bronx below Fordham Road so one is not allowed to have a negative opinion. Contrary to the mischaracterization of me, I do not have a sense of entitlement and expect to be provided for at all, since I don't expect anyone to provide for me or anyone in my party at a game, since I can well afford to take care of that myself. What I don't like is being nickeled and dimed to death with surcharges on top of surcharges, and that's my opinion. I am not asking you to change yours, since it's clear that we don't view the stadium on the same level, which is fine.
Moreover, I don't drink warm beer and wouldn't touch a hot dog, being vegetarian, and I am not griping that when I pay for a meal for myself at any venue that's prix fixe or included in the ticket price that it's about 400% profit over the cost of the ingredients for the vegetarian meal, since there's no discount if you don't eat meat. I don't complain about that, and I pay such premiums all the time when eating at establishments that have to make accommodations.
Why is there such a need to be rude to someone who disagrees with an opinion? Frankly, I do live in the real world, and have for some time; and, I do not appreciate incinuations to the contrary that are designed to attack me on a personal level and imply that I am wrong because I am out of touch.
I thought that this was a civil discussion as to opinions about the new stadium and the services that are contained within it, not a forum to bash everyone who disagrees with the sentiment that the stadium is anything more than it is, a place for the Yankees to play baseball that has already exacted a disproportionately heavy toll on those who reside in the area. That's my opinion, one to which I am entitled, even if it conflicts with the views of another person's view to which they are equally entitled.
Good grief...such anger directed at me over an opinion as to how the stadium operates, but I forgot that it's in The Bronx below Fordham Road so one is not allowed to have a negative opinion. Contrary to the mischaracterization of me, I do not have a sense of entitlement and expect to be provided for at all, since I don't expect anyone to provide for me or anyone in my party at a game, since I can well afford to take care of that myself. What I don't like is being nickeled and dimed to death with surcharges on top of surcharges, and that's my opinion. I am not asking you to change yours, since it's clear that we don't view the stadium on the same level, which is fine.
Moreover, I don't drink warm beer and wouldn't touch a hot dog, being vegetarian, and I am not griping that when I pay for a meal for myself at any venue that's prix fixe or included in the ticket price that it's about 400% profit over the cost of the ingredients for the vegetarian meal, since there's no discount if you don't eat meat. I don't complain about that, and I pay such premiums all the time when eating at establishments that have to make accommodations.
Why is there such a need to be rude to someone who disagrees with an opinion? Frankly, I do live in the real world, and have for some time; and, I do not appreciate incinuations to the contrary that are designed to attack me on a personal level and imply that I am wrong because I am out of touch.
I thought that this was a civil discussion as to opinions about the new stadium and the services that are contained within it, not a forum to bash everyone who disagrees with the sentiment that the stadium is anything more than it is, a place for the Yankees to play baseball that has already exacted a disproportionately heavy toll on those who reside in the area. That's my opinion, one to which I am entitled, even if it conflicts with the views of another person's view to which they are equally entitled.
It is, at least I tried to make it that way when I started the thread. Sorry if it evolved into something other than that. I'm not thrilled with the whole way the stadium went down and was merely stating my thoughts on the place from a baseball-watching standpoint.
I doubt I'll go to the new stadium---too many good times at the old one. Fortunately my son got to one of the last games at the old stadium.
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