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I know nothing about rubber bullets, but the same can be said for hand guns the cops use. What if the gun doesn't go off and the cop gets shot..or what if the perp has an oozy, shouldn't the cops have oozies or at least gatlin guns, bazookas?
If it works against perps with guns in England, why would you think it would not work against perps with guns in NY? I do not know the failure rate for rubber bullets, or whether they do not stop anyone. I suspect if it were unable to stop perps with guns, it would not be so prevalent in England.
The ghetto scum mentality is so deeply rooted into our society now that it would be dangerous for cops to not shoot and kill. Some people living in the hoods of America are really vicious and have sick minds.
Not sure what "ghetto scum mentality" has to do with this whole situation. A "ghetto scum" person shooting a gun is the same as a "ghetto scum" person in England shooting a gun. What exactly do you assert is the difference? People in London are not vicious or have sick minds? You should really travel more if you believe that to be the case.
I stand by my assertion that if rubber bullets can be used there effectively to stop a person with a gun in England, it can be used effectively here. Why do you believe it cannot work here? Your comment makes no sense.
East NY can be a depressing place, and so can most parts of Long Island, depending on your view. And yes we know the NYPD, and just about every police force in the country (and world most likely) fudge the stats. So what? Let's not rehash this again...if you believe the stats are made up and we actually have thousands of murders and the cops are just making stuff up..then we have nothing to discuss.
Not sure what "ghetto scum mentality" has to do with this whole situation. A "ghetto scum" person shooting a gun is the same as a "ghetto scum" person in England shooting a gun. What exactly do you assert is the difference? People in London are not vicious or have sick minds? You should really travel more if you believe that to be the case.
I stand by my assertion that if rubber bullets can be used there effectively to stop a person with a gun in England, it can be used effectively here. Why do you believe it cannot work here? Your comment makes no sense.
East NY can be a depressing place, and so can most parts of Long Island, depending on your view. And yes we know the NYPD, and just about every police force in the country (and world most likely) fudge the stats. So what? Let's not rehash this again...if you believe the stats are made up and we actually have thousands of murders and the cops are just making stuff up..then we have nothing to discuss.
You're wrong in every statement once again sobro (you have yet to say anything accurate or useful). This mentality is AMERICAN. It only began sprouting up in Europe because of the heavy influences from the United States.
Secondly London (All of England really) is a much less violent place than NYC. The whole country doesn't even break 200 murders for a year.
East NY is one of, if not the most, violent place on Long Island.
Thousands of murders????? why do you always put words in ppl's mouths and exaggerate numbers like that? They fudge stats hardcore plain and simple. They are corrupt, something needs to be changed (along with many other things in this city). End of story.
You're wrong in every statement once again sobro (you have yet to say anything accurate or useful). This mentality is AMERICAN. It only began sprouting up in Europe because of the heavy influences from the United States.
Secondly London (All of England really) is a much less violent place than NYC. The whole country doesn't even break 200 murders for a year.
Yes, but what makes someone with a gun in London any less dangerous than someone with a gun in NYC? They're both holding a gun, and they can both take your life... so what's the difference? You haven't explained.
Jaged you have yet to tell me the difference. The "ghetto mentality" that you speak of is not inherently American..I reallys suggest you travel more and not get your information from travel books or heresay.
Secondly, precisely the reason that England has less murders MAY VERY WELL BE due to less lethal force by the police. This is why it should be studied more..which came first less violence because of less lethal violence by the police, or less lethal violence by the police then less overall violence in England. We have anecdotal evidence here in the states to support the latter theory: As police have no longer simply shot to kill and instead use pepper spray, and other such non-lethal weapons, crime continues to go down across the board and in NYC. Anecdotal but who knows..all I am saying is it is worth studying.
I don't argue about East NY being the most violent, but you said the most depressing, and depending on your view, most parts of LI can be more depressing than East NY. It is a matter of opinion wouldn't you say?
I second Analytical keys' question above which you have yet to answer.
SEEM...yes I would agree that if you are constantly inundated with scary stories and grisly headlines, it would SEEM it is getting worse. It also SEEMS like everyone in NYC is rich..it also SEEMS like people of color are violent and criminals, it SEEMS like gangs control NYC far worse than they ever have, it SEEMS like people don't care about NYC....but we know that the reality is none of these are true.
We KNOW NYC has very few rich people, we KNOW people of color are not violent or criminals any more than anyone else, we KNOW gangs are much less prevalent today than they were decades ago (and less influential), we KNOW lots of people care about NYC, and we also KNOW that crime continues to decline both nationally and in NYC. What would be INSANE is if we had 3,000 murders last year...THAT IS INSANE...what we have now is hype and scary stories.
But who cares about all that..I read today that someone got stabbed, so therefore it SEEMS that crime is on the rise and that's all that matters...right?
You seem to take the crime stats as gospel. Has it ever occured to you that crime is going down in certain places and therefore this skews the overall total? If you have a bunch of neighborhoods like Bayside lowering their crime rate how does that make the situation in ENY better? There are areas that are experience a boost in crime. Look at neighborhoods as individuals. They each have their own situation. You put the whole city under an umbrella. The best way to put it is this : "While certain areas are experiencing lower crime rates, there are other areas that are experiencing a boost."
You seem to take the crime stats as gospel. Has it ever occured to you that crime is going down in certain places and therefore this skews the overall total? If you have a bunch of neighborhoods like Bayside lowering their crime rate how does that make the situation in ENY better? There are areas that are experience a boost in crime. Look at neighborhoods as individuals. They each have their own situation. You put the whole city under an umbrella. The best way to put it is this : "While certain areas are experiencing lower crime rates, there are other areas that are experiencing a boost."
Exactly. There are neighborhoods that are experiencing an increase in crime: Sunset Park, for example, had 2 shootings in the last two weeks (including last night) and overall it's murder and rape count is higher than it was last year. Bed Stuy's two precincts are still heavy in crime. 44th and 47th precincts in the Bronx have seen increase also.
SuperWario..we all know that nobody takes the stats as gospel. Secondly, if you read the article, instead of just believing the scary headline (sound familiar?) you would know:
"Overall crime is up 8% in the precinct this year - after dropping every year since 1994.
Locals said the crime rate is nothing compared with the days when there were more than 100 murders a year in the neighborhood. Still, they worry."
So we KNOW that LOCALS are saying the crime rate is NOTHING compared to how it was, and we KNOW that the crime rate has been dropping every year since 1994. This is the FIRST time there has been an uptick, and really that's all it is. This is NORMAL, as crime rates, like housing/stocks/commodities do not go up or down for infinity, they fluctuate year to year. What is important is the long term trend, and clearly it is decidedly downward for crime across NYC AND East NY.
Does East NY still have work to do? Heck yeah...but crime continues to drop over the long term with only a blip upward over the last few months. The BEST way to put it actually is: "Overall the city is at record lows, and despite a minor uptick in a couple precincts, the steady reduction in crime continues. The city continues to get safer."
"Overall the city is at record lows, and despite a minor uptick in a couple precincts, the steady reduction in crime continues. The city continues to get safer."[/quote]
Who are you quoting here?
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