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i was on the b train going towards brighton beach and i saw a guy (doesn't matter that he was black) about in his 40s or 50s or so, with a cane and he was in one of those corner seats with many 20s spread out in his hand while he was slumped over as if he was drunk or asleep but he was not moving. what does this mean? is this usually a detective undercover setup to purposely encourage someone to rob him, or was it just a guy looking to start a fight or something? i wish i could have told him as i walked by that you are fooling no one and to put away his ghetto thug ways by trying to start something.
i was on the b train going towards brighton beach and i saw a guy (doesn't matter that he was black) about in his 40s or 50s or so, with a cane and he was in one of those corner seats with many 20s spread out in his hand while he was slumped over as if he was drunk or asleep but he was not moving. what does this mean? is this usually a detective undercover setup to purposely encourage someone to rob him, or was it just a guy looking to start a fight or something? i wish i could have told him as i walked by that you are fooling no one and to put away his ghetto thug ways by trying to start something.
Why didn't you just try to wake him up and tell him he should put his money away? That way you could gauge his reaction and get more information for us .
I'd have nudged him to wake up. But I think its an NYPD sting operation, in which case I have no problem with it. Note, you're not creating crime by doing things like this (no one is forcing anyone to go "rob" the guy), but merely bringing the criminal element out of the woodwork.
Note, lucky bag wasn't inherently flawed, but its implementation sometimes was.
Note, lucky bag wasn't inherently flawed, but its implementation sometimes was.
I disagree. If I saw an unattended stroller with a wallet hanging off, knowing that someone ELSE might be a criminal element and steal it, I might have taken (saved) the wallet, opened it, gone with my phone to a coffee shop to see if any of the ID would help me track down the owner. And then what, I'd have been arrested? For trying to help?
Actually I don't know what I'd have done, since luckily I was not around any lucky bag traps. But in one instance I did find a wallet on the street, and I took it with me in hopes of being able to track down the owner.
I disagree. If I saw an unattended stroller with a wallet hanging off, knowing that someone ELSE might be a criminal element and steal it, I might have taken (saved) the wallet, opened it, gone with my phone to a coffee shop to see if any of the ID would help me track down the owner. And then what, I'd have been arrested? For trying to help?
Actually I don't know what I'd have done, since luckily I was not around any lucky bag traps. But in one instance I did find a wallet on the street, and I took it with me in hopes of being able to track down the owner.
Yes, but my understanding of the the lucky bag program was, initially, not detailed enough in implementation (still, there were broader guidelines that should have bounded police actions in those instances, even if they didn't always, such as constitutional requirements for probable cause, etc.). Thus, there were some officers who arrested without having any probable cause of criminal intent/activity, but you also had officers who would not just arrest people for picking up the wallet; in the latter case, officers often talked to the individuals to try to gauge intent before charging/arresting. Although, to be clear, just taking the wallet, but leaving the larger bag, doesn't smell of a good Samaritan to me and would, under some circumstances, lead to a finding of probable cause (or at least reasonable suspicion to stop the individual, from which probable cause could possibly be established); if you were truly concerned about taking the wallet to contact the owner, why wouldn't you look through the larger bag (the wallet in operation lucky bag was typically exposed/slightly falling out of the bag to make for easy visibility). Thus, I think the problem was, as stated previously, more with inconsistent/faulty implementation than the program being inherently flawed.
no. this is not a undercover sting op. they do not even work like that.
I have my doubts too. If something were to go wrong, ie the robber has a gun and a shootout takes place innocent people could get hurt/killed, and with the equipment the B trains run there would be no option for passengers to escape to other cars because the doors are locked at all times.
I couldn't see the NYPD doing something so careless.
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