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For fear of being viewed as sexist (I am not), here I go:
Obviously, many women who work in the fashion industry are expected to dress well, especially at work. Unfortunately, not all of them are Chanel Iman, and so their salaries reflect that. There seems to be some sort of disconnect here, with women in fashion, who earn lower than "normal" (at least for NYC standards) salaries, but are dressing well, going to clubs, etc, and paying Manhattan rent. Where is the extra cash coming from? You can get guys to buy you free drinks at bars, but there's only so far you can go. With the financial crisis, many women find themselves cut off from daddy's credit card or their boyfriend who used to work for Lehman Brothers. And of course, there are a countless number of single women in NYC as well. Let's cut to the chase:
Today, I saw a woman in my building, she got on the elevator (her floor is home to a prominent fashion magazine company), she was very attractive and dressed incredibly well. However, I could clearly see the store tag still attached to her suit. When I told her, she fixed it, but also got beet red during the process. Embarrased, she thanked me for telling her in the elevator, before she could go out like that in public.
My question is, how common is this amongst women in NYC? I don't know any man who would ever do such a thing like this.
Wrong. I am around fashion and high society (or faux high society) all the time and I knew of a guy who did the exact same thing. I also knew of a couple (man + woman) who did the exact same thing. Pathetic.
In Manhattan, image is everything. With that, you get lots of pretenders.
These threads about what goes on in the "upper" echelons of trendy NYC culture alternately bemuse and horrify me.
Bemused: These people actually care that much about keeping up with the latest everything and appearing to have a lot of money that they pull this ridiculous stuff? Hah - I scoff at you from my comfortably non-elite middle-class "perch"!
Horrified: Isn't there anyone in this city - particularly women - who appreciates practicality and doesn't care if you're super-loaded? I know the answer is 'yes,' because I've met them, but it does irk me that there is a considerable subset of the population that, well, would rather lie, cheat and steal (or go into debt, or sell their bodies) than be seen in an H&M blouse.
Horrified: Isn't there anyone in this city - particularly women - who appreciates practicality and doesn't care if you're super-loaded? I know the answer is 'yes,' because I've met them, but it does irk me that there is a considerable subset of the population that, well, would rather lie, cheat and steal (or go into debt, or sell their bodies) than be seen in an H&M blouse.
I agree with this. I think one of the reasons that its hard to date in NYC is because men will assume that ALL women are like this and we are not. Sure, I like to buy Prada shoes and Louis Vuitton bags here and there, but I also have no problem wearing things I saw and liked at Target or Walmart. I think a lot of the women who act like you describe don't have the money to spend on these clothes, they just put on the act to land a rich man or something.
Are you aware that NYC women have access to the best sample sales in the country? I have a McFadden suit that probably retailed for $2000-$3000. I paid $20 for it.
Are you aware that NYC women have access to the best sample sales in the country? I have a McFadden suit that probably retailed for $2000-$3000. I paid $20 for it.
They also have access to some of the better fakes. How many men can spot the difference at a glance? Or even care/notice anything about a handbag except perhaps the brand?
Any smart financier enjoys analyzing the rather predictable "commercial dynamics" of places like Midtown
Lots of wealthy workaholic >30yo guys (who value scarce time over money) and lots of attractive <25yo women with no money (and limited time/shelf life as they keep making new models every year)
Payment occurs in many forms from fancy dinners or gifts to crude cash to pre-nups...been that way for decades in any place in world with money...unlikely to ever change
And same dynamic is often seen in finance industry where many shrewd, Harvard-educated financial analysts/associates or lawyers marry more senior hedge fund guys for marriages of finite duration and usually pre-defined payouts upon divorce
Differences between escort payments and pre-nups are largely legal (and euphemistic) arbitrage
BTW, one of best lessons guys learned in first 4-6wks in M&A banking (at least in '90s when smart guys actually were in M&A banking) is quickly sizing up (within 5-10mins) anyone across a deal table in terms of rough liquid net worth/cash flow...and lifestyle, to judge how much financial liquidity and negotiating leverage they have
Always amusing to realize how little actual cash many "old money" codgers or trust fund kids w/famous last names have, despite attire or lifestyle....generally, really fancy off-the-rack clothes are a contra-indicator vs actual liquid net worth/cash flow (learn much more from how people choose to commute daily to office or fly for business/pleasure)
I agree with this. I think one of the reasons that its hard to date in NYC is because men will assume that ALL women are like this and we are not. Sure, I like to buy Prada shoes and Louis Vuitton bags here and there, but I also have no problem wearing things I saw and liked at Target or Walmart. I think a lot of the women who act like you describe don't have the money to spend on these clothes, they just put on the act to land a rich man or something.
Well, not ALL men. Though it crosses my mind mind, at times, in all honesty I think that aspect of the city is quite played up. I literally do not know anyone, male or female, who behaves that way (though I suppose it's possible there's an acquaintance in there somewhere, say at work or something) - I just hear about it sometimes.
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