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Old 10-18-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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Since 2000, New York has only had about 500k in population growth. California, Texas, Florida have all seen 3-5 million since then! What has caused people to look elsewhere than the Empire State?
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Not Oneida
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Taxes and a hostile business environment.

The war on the Middle Class in NY is basically over. Whats left is the very rich that treat Upstate as a private park and cities being used as welfare warehouses. Lake George vs Syracuse.

I'd love to be able to afford to live in NY but the taxes are insane. Imagine what the population numbers would look like if the welfare people weren't cranking out six or eight babies each.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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Add to the above lack of jobs in large numbers and the weather. Do you ever heare I miss the grey days of a NY winter?
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Atlanta & NYC
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Crappy weather, crappy upstate, crappy taxes.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Deep in the Woods
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Upstate: high taxes, high snowfall, cloudy winters, stagnant economic conditions, some small cities crime ridden.

Downstate: even higher taxes, massive crush of people, $13 bridge tolls, rude people, and basically the most difficult place to live in the US. Also, lack of personal freedoms, traffic worst in US, and ugly, near 100% developed landscape.

Flip side: Upstate has cheap homes, nice people (for the most part), small towns, easier pace of life, and lots of outdoor recreational activities with tons of lakes, mtns, and forests. More natural than most outsiders imagine NY to be.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Burlington County, NJ
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New York is largely a Rust Belt state so it's not that surprising its growth rates are not rivaling states like California and Texas.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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I got to say the Cost of living. its pricing many people out of there.

I have a friend thats raised there, makes 50k and cant get a family because 50k goes nowhere, unless he wants to live in a tiny studio, but how can you have sex w/o the kids seeing at that point?

its becoming a place where the rich lives, and the poor who gets goverment housing, food stamps, and free medical care lives. the in-between are totally screwed.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Deep in the Woods
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^^ This applies to NYC more than Upstate
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Not Oneida
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Its really sad to see what NY has become. Pretty much anything Upstate and East of Utica is some pretty country.

But the infrastructure has suffered badly these past few years. And its not lack of taxes it just all the money is being poured into welfare programs.

The roads and bridges need some attention and fast. But they will never get it. My little town got some road resurfacing this year. They started in April and its still not done. Talking about a mile of road here folks. Our fathers and grandfathers put thousands of miles of roads all over this state, one part of what made NY the greatest state in the US. Now we can't do a mile of road in 6 Months at a cost of 800 brazillion dollars.

Things are really falling apart and we can't figger out where the money is going.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Its really sad to see what NY has become. Pretty much anything Upstate and East of Utica is some pretty country.

But the infrastructure has suffered badly these past few years. And its not lack of taxes it just all the money is being poured into welfare programs.

The roads and bridges need some attention and fast. But they will never get it. My little town got some road resurfacing this year. They started in April and its still not done. Talking about a mile of road here folks. Our fathers and grandfathers put thousands of miles of roads all over this state, one part of what made NY the greatest state in the US. Now we can't do a mile of road in 6 Months at a cost of 800 brazillion dollars.

Things are really falling apart and we can't figger out where the money is going.
welfare is part of the program but the bigger problem that is taking up more money are things like benefits for state workers and medicaid.
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