If New York State is so bad, why do we live here? (Bath: incomes, shopping mall)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by Cameron60

Many people stay in New York because they cannot make the same living anywhere else.
If money was taken out of the equation I think you would see a lot of people leave.

It really depends on what a person values and in relation to their stage of life. So, it is a very complex topic to address.

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Yes, I agree that the stereotypical South isn't necessarily like the actual South, but there are social differences that people have to make note of.

Livingston County LA is actually similar to Wayne or Livingston counties up here in per capita and median household income. Cost of living does have to be considered, but on the other hand COL isn't high in most of Upstate NY. There will be crossover in terms of those that are rich and poor, which is something people can find out about with simple research.

Ironically, Tompkins County has one of the most affluent communities in Upstate NY, if not the state in Cayuga Heights.

Tompkins county is a very strange place. From Ithaca north the whole thing is nearly entirely wealthy; but as soon as you get south of or west of Ithaca it is very southern tier in character. It reminds me of Baton Rouge in a way like that. The city itself and areas east of it were quite well off but south, west and especially north of it were a whole other world.

"but on the other hand COL isn't high in most of Upstate NY." This is mostly true; save for land tax and vehicle costs. Finding a job or a non-seasonal job can be a real pain though.

"but there are social differences that people have to make note of. " Absolutely! No arguments there. I'd even go further to say that each state has its own social differences in the nation as a whole. For example, Florida, Texas and Virginia are all southern but have little in common -within American perception-. Likewise Vermont, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are all northern but many differences.

Side note; apologies if my grammar is off today. I've been up for three days now. haha

[Cameron60]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

It really depends on what a person values and in relation to their stage of life. So, it is a very complex topic to address.

Sure but I bet money is the most common

[GraniteStater]

There are now ten completely rural counties in New York state that are not included within a metropolitan or micropolitan designation. They represent 2% of the total state population.

New York:
Average population density for rural counties: 45.7
Metropolitan % of total population: 93.0%
Micropolitan % of the total population: 5.0%
Percentage of the total population living in rural counties: 2.0%

Wyoming County: population density 69.4 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 14.6%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.3%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: +2.7%

Allegany County: population density 46.3 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 18.9%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.5%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -4.8%

Schuyler County: population density 56.2 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 16.9%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: 0.7%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: +18.3%

Chenango County: population density 55.3 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 17.1%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.1%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: +5.6%

Lewis County: population density 21.35 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 13.6%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: 0.5%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -2.0%

Essex County: population density 21.5 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 23.3%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -1.8%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -4.5%

*Hamilton County: population density 2.7 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 24.2%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.5%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: +6.6%

Delaware County: population density 32.3 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 19.8%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.9%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -8.0%

Greene County: population density 74.1 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 20.1%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.5%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -7.5%

Sullivan County: population density 78.4 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 20.9%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.1%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -1.6%

Percentage of the total population living in metropolitan or micropolitan counties: 98.0%
Average % of 4 year degree for rural counties: 18.9%
Average % change in population for all rural counties: -1.75%

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

There are now ten completely rural counties in New York state that are not included within a metropolitan or micropolitan designation. They represent 2% of the total state population.

New York:
Average population density for rural counties: 45.7
Metropolitan % of total population: 93.0%
Micropolitan % of the total population: 5.0%
Percentage of the total population living in rural counties: 2.0%

Wyoming County: population density 69.4 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 14.6%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.3%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: +2.7%

Allegany County: population density 46.3 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 18.9%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.5%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -4.8%

Schuyler County: population density 56.2 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 16.9%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: 0.7%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: +18.3%

Chenango County: population density 55.3 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 17.1%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.1%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: +5.6%

Lewis County: population density 21.35 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 13.6%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: 0.5%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -2.0%

Essex County: population density 21.5 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 23.3%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -1.8%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -4.5%

*Hamilton County: population density 2.7 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 24.2%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.5%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: +6.6%

Delaware County: population density 32.3 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 19.8%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.9%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -8.0%

Greene County: population density 74.1 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 20.1%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.5%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -7.5%

Sullivan County: population density 78.4 people per square mile: % with 4 year degree: 20.9%
Population Percentage Change 2010-2014: -2.1%
Non-farm Employment Change 2012-2013: -1.6%

Percentage of the total population living in metropolitan or micropolitan counties: 98.0%
Average % of 4 year degree for rural counties: 18.9%
Average % change in population for all rural counties: -1.75%

That's very odd how highly rural areas can be considered "urban counties". According to this list Yates, Steuben, and Seneca are not rural counties yet they are dominated by rural culture.

Is it just urban and rural or is there a middle category?

Also I find it neat that my home county is on there. Schuyler. Though Watkins Glen would like to have you believe it is bigger than it is. haha

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by CookieSkoon

That's very odd how highly rural areas can be considered "urban counties". According to this list Yates, Steuben, and Seneca are not rural counties yet they are dominated by rural culture.

Is it just urban and rural or is there a middle category?

Also I find it neat that my home county is on there. Schuyler. Though Watkins Glen would like to have you believe it is bigger than it is. haha

Micropolitan is considered a "middle" designation between Metropolitan and rural referencing a smaller city of regional significance, usually related to being a larger employment hub.

Yates was classified as a rural county as recently as a couple of years ago but is now grouped with the Rochester metro area due to a new analysis of commuting patterns.

Steuben is considered a micropolitan county due to having the "city" of Corning.

Seneca is also considered a micropolitan county due to having the "town" of Seneca Falls.
"On March 16, 2010, the people of the Village of Seneca Falls voted to dissolve the village into the Town of Seneca Falls, effective in 2012.[1]"

Micropolitan counties contain an urban core of at least 10,000 people but less than 50,000 total.

Here is a listing of all the 14 Micropolitan counties in New York state and the city/town(s) of significance within them:
The total population of all these Micropolitan counties represents 5% of the state population total.
Columbia: (Hudson)
Otsego: (Oneonta)
Montgomery: (Amsterdam)
Fulton: (Gloversville)
Clinton: (Plattsburgh)
Franklin: (Malone)
St. Lawrence: (Ogdensburg, Massena)
Cortland: (Cortland)
Cayuga: (Auburn)
Seneca: (Seneca Falls)
Steuben: (Corning)
Genesee: (Batavia)
Cattaraugus: (Olean)
Chautauqua: (Jamestown, Dunkirk, Fredonia)

[CookieSkoon]

"Yates was classified as a rural county as recently as a couple of years ago but is now grouped with the Rochester metro area due to a new analysis of commuting patterns."

Interesting! Though taken on its own I'd have to disagree with them, Yates is still very much a rural county in and of itself.

Edit: By the same logic I am now wondering why Schuyler is not lumped into Elmira considering a lot of people commute to Chemung county.

Also the idea of Corning being a city still makes me laugh a little. It's a big town for sure! But not really a city as one would imagine it.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by CookieSkoon

"Yates was classified as a rural county as recently as a couple of years ago but is now grouped with the Rochester metro area due to a new analysis of commuting patterns."

Interesting! Though taken on its own I'd have to disagree with them, Yates is still very much a rural county in and of itself.

Edit: By the same logic I am now wondering why Schuyler is not lumped into Elmira considering a lot of people commute to Chemung county.

Also the idea of Corning being a city still makes me laugh a little. It's a big town for sure! But not really a city as one would imagine it.

I agree that the commuting patterns are not the best determining factor for grouping counties and the designations can change with time. I do expect Schuyler county to become grouped to a metropolitan area within the near future due to commuting patterns as well. The 10,000 population level of a town to be grouped into a micropolitan county designation is a bit arbitrary in my opinion.

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

I agree that the commuting patterns are not the best determining factor for grouping counties and the designations can change with time. I do expect Schuyler county to become grouped to a metropolitan area within the near future due to commuting patterns as well. The 10,000 population level of a town to be grouped into a micropolitan county designation is a bit arbitrary in my opinion.

A lot of it is arbitrary. Whether or not a county is urbane or rural or in between should factor in population density, how developed is the county in terms of infrastructure, and are there more cows than people?

You could have a county of 40,000 all living in small towns or on farms or a county of 13,000 all living in one dense area. That smaller number would be more urban than the larger number; even if the "larger" county had, say, a town center of 8000 or more people.

I think they kind of just look at the overall number and say "yep dat der are a city". :P

[UKWildcat1981]

NYC has a lot or racism as well, basically blacks still don't go in Russian and Italian neighborhoods in NYC for fear of getting their a.ss kicked for no other reason then they are black.