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Of the three states with a higher population, one is more liberal than New York, all three receive huge population increases due to immigration, and none of them have a significant winter. If New York is such a hellhole, why do so many people stay in New York?
Buffalo actually is seeing positive in-migration the last two years. What...?
The people who are staying in New York are those who are able to receive all the benefits that New York offers. If you had 5 children, and earned $600 per week, and and the government gave you $1,300 per month to buy food, plus $1,991 per month for housing (that's the amount of a Section 8 voucher for 3 bedrooms, for which a family of 6 would qualify), plus the maximum of $481 per month in cash assistance, plus $697 per month in SSI since one of your kids didn't learn to read until third grade, plus over $5,000 per year in EITC, would you move out of New York?
SteveC1024:
It would take volumes to even begin to discuss what's wrong with Medicaid. "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" ... Margaret Thatcher on Socialism. Sooner or later when everyone decides to jump on the cart there will be no one left to pull it. There are plenty of examples throughout the world and in our own country where these policies have led to nothing but hopelessness, despair and abject poverty. To ignore it is to do so at our own peril. Government is a monopoly that is accountable to no one especially when the "useful idiots" as Lenin called them, depend on the government for their every need. I don't know if you've ever read the book "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat, if not I think you will find it interesting.
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"The law has been used to destroy it's own objective; It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which it's real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense." "But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder." --- The Law by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author. "
Spoken by a "Tolerant" Liberal, you seem to make a lot of assumptions about someone you don't even know. I think it's called "bigotry". Where in the world have I mentioned anything about Benghazi, Obama or the Tea Party? The subject was Cuomo and New York State politics, and how it effects people's lives. You can't win an argument so you resort to name calling and try to change the subject. Straight out of the Alinsky playbook you people are so predictable.
By the way, it's "Benghazi" not "Bengazi" you left out the "h".
Of course you’d know that. Know a lot about the spelling of cities in the Mahgreb? That’s a pretty obscure interest for a blue collar guy.
Your binary-thinking assumption is that I’m a liberal. Wrong. I also have no idea what an “Alinsky” is. By the way, do you receive a pension from your CSEA job? Also, what it your opinion on health inspectors, civil engineers, and municipal waste dumps?
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…but what's wrong with eliminating Medicaid entirely?
What’s wrong with a civilized society taking care of its most vulnerable? Would you be OK with the US being the only one in the world that doesn’t? You can argue about what constitutes “vulnerable” but that’s a side discussion.
Plantweed:
Just keep on smoking more of that weed that you're planting. Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals is the late work of community organizer Saul D. Alinsky. Obama is one of his disciples, I'm surprised you've never heard of him, if not you're being very disingenuous. By reading your comments you are indeed a Liberal, Progressive, Socialist etc. they are all the same. Why not just admit it and be proud of it? Seeing as you want to nit pick "its" or "it's" maybe you should check your own spelling or is the weed getting to you.
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Should a Black owned business be forced to serve members of the KKK? Should a Jewish owned business be forced to serve to members of a Neo Nazi organization or the skinheads? You probably are not aware of this because there was very little media coverage, but the hairstylist who is "Gay" of Governor Susana Martinez of New Mexico refused to cut her hair because of her opposition to "same sex Marriage".
This issue is much ado about nothing. A gay couple walks into a photo studio looking for a wedding photographer. The photographer can do one of two things:
- he can be stupid and state that he won't work at a gay wedding
- he can be smart and state he will take the job, but tells the couple politely that he is adamantly opposed to gay marriage and thinks its a sin.
In the first instance he "throws" the couple out and is discriminating. In the second instance he is speaking his beliefs and the couple walks out and looks for another photographer.
Not sure if there have been any KKK guys walking into black-owned businesses or Neo Nazis walking into Jewish businesses recently.
But thank for that info on Governor Martinez. Did that really happen? I ask, because if that did happen, where the hell were the media?
"But thank for that info on Governor Martinez. Did that really happen? I ask, because if that did happen, where the hell were the media?"
Indeed it did!
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"Susana Martinez, New Mexico Governor, Loses A Hairstylist Over Gay Marriage Stance" On Tuesday, Governor Susana Martinez (R-N.M.) lost a hairstylist who refused to clip her locks out of disgust with her opposition to marriage equality. Antonio Darden, who had cut Martinez's hair on three occasions and runs Antonio's Hair Studio in Santa Fe, N.M., re-crafted the notion of civil disobedience when he declined to accept an appointment.--HuffingtonPost.com
Where the hell were the media? Good question. I guess they chose not to report it because it didn't suit their agenda and their attempts to paint anyone who opposes gay marriage as a bigot. There are a lot of things the media does not want you to know about. Like the recent arrest of Leland Yee state senator from California and one of the nations leading gun control advocates arranging to sell fully automatic weapons and shoulder fired missiles to the nations most notorious Chinese street gangs. Sure it was reported, but it was only a brief story and received scant attention afterwards. This was similar to "Fast and Furious" where the Obama administration arranged the sale of firearms to Mexican drug lords, with the intention that those weapons would be used in crimes, in order to bolster their argument for additional gun control laws. How many months did the media drag on about "Bridgegate"? As bad as that was, it is no comparison to government officials arming street gangs and drug lords. If our government can do these things and the media chooses to ignore it, just imagine what else they could try and get away with? There motto is "The end justifies the means". Every clear thinking American should be outraged by these actions, and it's the duty of the media to report it, no matter what party is in power. Unfortunately the mainstream media is in the pocket of the Democratic Party.
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What’s wrong with a civilized society taking care of its most vulnerable? Would you be OK with the US being the only one in the world that doesn’t? You can argue about what constitutes “vulnerable” but that’s a side discussion.
It's a safe assumption that 9 in 10 people who qualify for Medicaid are "vulnerable" due to their own poor choices. Look at all the single mothers whose children's fathers are in jail, for example. You decide to have a kid with a deadbeat criminal, so why should I foot the bill for the product(s) of that relationship? You're vulnerable because of your own bad judgment. Meanwhile those of us who do use good judgment, having children WITH benefit of marriage, have to pay an arm and a leg for health care.
This issue is much ado about nothing. A gay couple walks into a photo studio looking for a wedding photographer. The photographer can do one of two things:
- he can be stupid and state that he won't work at a gay wedding
- he can be smart and state he will take the job, but tells the couple politely that he is adamantly opposed to gay marriage and thinks its a sin.
In the first instance he "throws" the couple out and is discriminating. In the second instance he is speaking his beliefs and the couple walks out and looks for another photographer.
Not sure if there have been any KKK guys walking into black-owned businesses or Neo Nazis walking into Jewish businesses recently.
But thank for that info on Governor Martinez. Did that really happen? I ask, because if that did happen, where the hell were the media?
I don't believe the government should have the right to compel private businesses to do business with anyone. It is the sole right of the business owner to accept or reject any client/customer/job.
I'm half Irish, half Puerto Rican, and Catholic. If [establishment x] didn't want to accept business from any Irish, any Puerto Ricans, or any Catholics, I just wouldn't go there. I'd be happy to take my business to their competitor down the street.....yet I'd fully support their right to choose the persons with whom they want to do business. It's their loss, at the end of the day, and if they want to just be silly and stupid, I'm not the one to spoil it for them. I wouldn't look to the government to force them to accept my business.
SteveC1024, you went right for the side argument. Do you have a problem with a civilized society taking care of its most vulnerable?
If you define "most vulnerable" as anyone who qualifies for Medicaid under its current eligibility criteria, I have a major problem with it.
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