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View Poll Results: Should NY Be Split Into 2 States
Yes 20 48.78%
No 21 51.22%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-05-2014, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Live in NY, work in CT
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How about a split like the first map, but where Putnam, Orange and Dutchess countirles are also in the downstate half? Those counites have had a lot of NYC and Westchester commuters move there
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Old 08-05-2014, 08:33 PM
 
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A better split: Draw a line along from where PA/NJ and NY meet directly to the CT/MA border. You leave most of the liberals downstate.
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Old 08-05-2014, 11:21 PM
 
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a better split: Draw a line along from where pa/nj and ny meet directly to the ct/ma border. You leave most of the liberals downstate.
*dramatically. Rolls. Eyes.*
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Old 08-07-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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Movements like this will only grow across the nation as urban centers strengthen their political control over the rural areas of the state. California, Maryland, Colorado, and New York each have vocal, though powerless, "split-cession" movements at this time. California is actually involved in more than one idea: "Cascadia" and a movement to break California into SIX separate states!

I'd prefer to see more local control transfered to the various regions with less centralized power at the state level. Remain one state, but allow upstate regions to make their own decisions without being drowned out by the sheer volume of representatives the city sends to Albany. How that would look I can't imagine, but with time we could work out a system.
The big issue is Gerrymandering. California already abolished political gerrymandering. Maryland is one of the most Gerrymandered states (along with Michigan, North Carolina, Illinois, and a few others). Gerrymandering disenfranches the people living there.

"Split-cession" will never happen anywhere, because it requires a constitutional Amendment. Can Congress agree on 3/4 vote to ratify? LOLOLOL
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Old 08-07-2014, 08:59 AM
 
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A better split: Draw a line along from where PA/NJ and NY meet directly to the CT/MA border. You leave most of the liberals downstate.
False!

New York would just go from hard-blue to soft-blue; Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany (the new population centers) are all Democratic.

Hate to make it political.. but the thread and "secession" movements are always from conservatives that are just angry about not getting their way.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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@Opin.,,, I think that the secession movements are from conservatives who see their tax dollars going in the toilet for entitlements....
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Old 08-09-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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@Opin.,,, I think that the secession movements are from conservatives who see their tax dollars going in the toilet for entitlements....
As well as to corporations that end up moving out of the country eventually or don't create the jobs they say they will, even after getting tax breaks or money to stay/relocate.
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Old 08-09-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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All of these idiotic Republican rednecks who think they are better off without "the big city liberals" in their state need to put a sock in it. Go ahead and secede...then watch as your roads, infrastructure, and services that you say you don't need but rely on anyways start to crumble because you no longer have the money for the upkeep. Cities *subsidize* you people, but you're too ignorant to realize it.

It's the same reason why the south doesn't become a third world country...the northern states subsidize them.
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Old 08-09-2014, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC metro
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All of these idiotic Republican rednecks who think they are better off without "the big city liberals" in their state need to put a sock in it. Go ahead and secede...then watch as your roads, infrastructure, and services that you say you don't need but rely on anyways start to crumble because you no longer have the money for the upkeep. Cities *subsidize* you people, but you're too ignorant to realize it.

It's the same reason why the south doesn't become a third world country...the northern states subsidize them.
I think you should toss out those antiquated notions...

How The South Will Rise To Power Again - Forbes

"Today the [South] is almost as populous as the Northeast and the Midwest combined."

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Old 08-09-2014, 04:11 PM
 
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I think you should toss out those antiquated notions...

How The South Will Rise To Power Again - Forbes

"Today the [South] is almost as populous as the Northeast and the Midwest combined."
It is as big as those regions in land size or similar to in that regard.

I think what psulions2007 is referring to is this: Which States Take the Most From the U.S. Government? - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Blue state, red face: Guess who benefits more from your taxes?
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