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Opin_Yunated:
Like I said you can't argue with ignorance. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and are completely oblivious as to the destruction of your home state because of the politicians and party that you so steadfastly support. Your forgetting that I lived there for 55 years and am fully aware of what New York State used to be like and what it has become. I grew up there, was born raised and educated there. I've been all over New York State multiple times during those years and am quite familiar with it's major cities and their steady decline. All of my neighbors packed up and moved also and all for the same reasons, politics, taxes, personal economic decline and an overall poor quality of life. My old neighborhood is now overrun with illegal immigrants and all the problems that they have brought with them, drugs, crime, overcrowded single family homes, public urination, public intoxication and the ever present litter. All this for an $11,000 a year property tax bill for a 1000 sq. ft house in a semi run down neighborhood in of all places Peekskill. It wasn't like that 35 years ago when I first bought that house otherwise I never would have lived there. I know, I know I'm just making this stuff up. I have no idea what I'm talking about. What I saw and experienced were just figments of my imagination, Right? That's why I just packed up and left everything I was familiar with, friends, family, everything. Moved all the way across the country where we knew absolutely no one, just to be out of that God awful state. I constantly hear from my friends and relatives of how lucky I am to have gotten the hell out of there. They're just biding their time for the right opportunity to leave. I now live out west and am in a pretty good position to be able to compare what the overall quality of life is compared to New York. You can have it, every square inch of it. Have fun in fantasy land, you deserve it. Save your breath and fingertips, I'm done!
Last edited by Ex New Yorker; 09-28-2014 at 09:05 PM..
Like I said you can't argue with ignorance. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and are completely oblivious as to the destruction of your home state because of the politicians and party that you so steadfastly support. Your forgetting that I lived there for 55 years and am fully aware of what New York State used to be like and what it has become. I grew up there, was born raised and educated there. I've been all over New York State multiple times during those years and am quite familiar with it's major cities and their steady decline.
And what decline is that? NYC is always growing. Buffalo Metro has reversed its trend and is also growing.
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All of my neighbors packed up and moved also and all for the same reasons, politics, taxes, personal economic decline and an overall poor quality of life.
Well there is the key phrase. "Personal economic decline" is not a function of politics; it is a function of a diminished market value of one's skillset.
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My old neighborhood is now overrun with illegal immigrants and all the problems that they have brought with them, drugs, crime, overcrowded single family homes, public urination, public intoxication and the ever present litter. All this for an $11,000 a year property tax bill for a 1000 sq. ft house in a semi run down neighborhood in of all places Peekskill. It wasn't like that 35 years ago when I first bought that house otherwise I never would have lived there. I know, I know I'm just making this stuff up. I have no idea what I'm talking about. What I saw and experienced were just figments of my imagination, Right? That's why I just packed up and left everything I was familiar with, friends, family, everything. Moved all the way across the country where we knew absolutely no one, just to be out of that God awful state. I constantly hear from my friends and relatives of how lucky I am to have gotten the hell out of there. They're just biding their time for the right opportunity to leave. I now live out west and am in a pretty good position to be able to compare what the overall quality of life is compared to New York. You can have it, every square inch of it. Have fun in fantasy land, you deserve it. Save your breath and fingertips, I'm done!
It sounds like you aren't familiar with New York State outside of where you grew up. There is plenty of diversity here in cultures, land, lifestyle, and cities. I don't know anyone in the Western half of the state paying $11,000 in property tax for a 1000 square foot house.
Hey, like I said... you can blame all your life problems on the NY government boogey man if that makes you feel better. I'll stick with the statistics. Numerically, we can do far worse in this country than New York.
And I really didnt want to get into this (hence the deleted post above), but....
And I have to agree with Ex NYer will alot of points.
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"Personal economic decline" is not a function of politics; it is a function of a diminished market value of one's skillset.
Sorry, but your wrong. "Resident (personal) economic decline" is absolutely connected to bad politics (loss of jobs across the board, high taxes and ever increasing cost of living, $ spent on education, monoplies that raise rates and so on,). Yes, the marketplace plays a part (loss of jobs), but so does politics. Dont think so, try opening a business and good luck paying the taxes. Northeast taxes are crushing. My brother in law paid 18k in taxes last year between his home and business. I dont know anyone who has their own business anymore. When I was growing up, most parents I knew had their own or worked for small business. They made a living and were able to raise their families.
Im paying 15k for 2 homes and under 3 acres. I just bought almost 80 acres in VA and the taxes are going to be 1200. So youre telling me this ridiculously high tax rate/difference in taxes is due to my reduced skillset?
I know quite a few people who have escaped and ALL are happier where they are now (NC,SC,VA, KY, PA,FL) - without the high taxes, cost of living and congestion. Winter is usually at the end of their list of complaints. They all wished they left 10 years earlier.
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Sorry, but your wrong. "Resident (personal) economic decline" is absolutely connected to bad politics (loss of jobs across the board, high taxes and ever increasing cost of living, $ spent on education, monoplies that raise rates and so on,). Yes, the marketplace plays a part (loss of jobs), but so does politics. Dont think so, try opening a business and good luck paying the taxes. Northeast taxes are crushing. My brother in law paid 18k in taxes last year between his home and business. I dont know anyone who has their own business anymore. When I was growing up, most parents I knew had their own or worked for small business. They made a living and were able to raise their families.
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I know quite a few people who have escaped and ALL are happier where they are now (NC,SC,VA, KY, PA,FL) - without the high taxes, cost of living and congestion. Winter is usually at the end of their list of complaints. They all wished they left 10 years earlier.
Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! I now live in Arizona, and am damn proud of it. Being self employed my wife and I could live anywhere in the country this is where we chose to live and could leave any time. I have travelled all over the country and couldn't imagine living anywhere else. Knowing what I know now, I too wish I could have left New York 10, no make that 25 years earlier. It just isn't worth the aggravation.
Contrary to what "Opin_Yunated" said. I have been all over New York State during my lifetime especially when most of the people I graduated with went to college in many of upstate's wonderful cities. I have spent a considerable amount of time in many of those places including Fredonia, Niagara, and Buffalo not to mention Rochester, Syracuse, Binghampton, Albany and Troy. I spent time learning to drive tractor trailers in the Newburgh, Beacon, Poughkeepsie area. Had aunt's uncles and cousins that lived on Warburton and Ravine Ave. in Yonkers. I used to visit them as a kid and would take the train to Glenwood when I was 11 years old. I certainly wouldn't want to do that now and I doubt my parents would ever let me do that today. Some of my friends were and still are Police officers in NYC and Mt. Vernon. No, I don't know anything about New York State at all. All of my observations were just figments of my imagination.
Good luck in Virginia! I hear it is a beautiful state.
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Sorry, but your wrong. "Resident (personal) economic decline" is absolutely connected to bad politics (loss of jobs across the board, high taxes and ever increasing cost of living, $ spent on education, monoplies that raise rates and so on,). Yes, the marketplace plays a part (loss of jobs), but so does politics. Dont think so, try opening a business and good luck paying the taxes. Northeast taxes are crushing. My brother in law paid 18k in taxes last year between his home and business. I dont know anyone who has their own business anymore. When I was growing up, most parents I knew had their own or worked for small business. They made a living and were able to raise their families.
I believe I specifically stated more than once that property taxes are a function of home values. Yes, New York property taxes are higher than the national average. However, your property taxes are far less insane in other parts of the state than NYC Metro, because the housing costs are more reasonable.
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Im paying 15k for 2 homes and under 3 acres. I just bought almost 80 acres in VA and the taxes are going to be 1200. So youre telling me this ridiculously high tax rate/difference in taxes is due to my reduced skillset
I'm also willing to bet the homes you bought in Virginia are less expensive than what you had in New York.
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Originally Posted by Scorpio1969
I know quite a few people who have escaped and ALL are happier where they are now (NC,SC,VA, KY, PA,FL) - without the high taxes, cost of living and congestion. Winter is usually at the end of their list of complaints. They all wished they left 10 years earlier.
Again, this has to do with what part of the state you are in. Folks in the Western half of New York won't share your frustration. Buffalo and Rochester are comparable in cost to cities of similar size in the South, but have stronger GDP and better schools. Southern states are often littered with miscelleaneous fees, personal property taxes, and HOAs to account for lower income and property taxes. Sales taxes are a wash... but New York doesn't tax groceries and has lower taxes on clothes. Pennsylvania has lower taxes but a lower standard of living in almost all metrics when compared to New York. Florida is a wonderful place to retire, but good luck raising your children there with those horrid schools.
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Good luck in Virginia! I hear it is a beautiful state.
It is... it is also a beautiful state that is trending blue recently.
Ex NYer, Don't worry about Opin Yunated. I believe he must be blinded by the money from OTHERS that Andrew Cuomo is throwing at Buffalo like a drunken sailor. Billions upon billions of other peoples money and still the area hasn't shown any sign of growth. It has slowed as other areas have because there is nowhere else to move to due to the great job POTUS is doing. Other taxpayers are also paying for TONS of TV commercials saying how great things are in Buffalo. Yes, they have a good credit rating only because state imposed control boards are watching the checkbook.
NYC is growing, yes, but all the growth is from overseas. I love NYC, but while visiting there, if you ask someone for directions, chances are they don't speak English.
Property taxes are definitely out of control, due to the welfare state as mentioned above, but I live in West/Central upstate and my region has been growing for years without receiving all the welfare from Cuomo, so I'll be staying.
JWRocks:
Thanks for your comments! I read the article "Opin_Yunated" supplied it was from none other than The City of Buffalo written by the mayor tooting his own horn about how great Buffalo is. Surprise! Surprise! The last time I was there was 4 years ago it didn't look much different than when some of my friends went to college in that area in the 70's. Boarded up buildings, dilapidated homes and abandoned factories everywhere. I recognize that all cities have good sections and bad along with their suburbs it's just that some have more than their fair share. It stands to reason that if Buffalo and places similar to it were such great places. Why would a billion taxpayer dollars have to be spent trying to bribe others to come there? It seems to me that it never should have gotten that way in the first place. Which begs the questions of who is going to be stuck footing the bill for that campaign? What about all the other businesses that have chosen to stick it out in spite of New York's bad business climate? Don't they deserve tax breaks also? Lastly, what happens when the 10 year tax break expires? The company that I used to work for was bribed in the same way when they threatened to move out of state. You know what? They stuck it out for 10 years and then they packed up and moved to Virginia. That was in the 90's, so I guess it's not a new idea. New York used to be called the "Empire State" because of all it's industries, it is now known as the "Vampire State" as it sucks the economic life blood out of many who remain there. Glad to hear that your region has been growing without Cuomo's help, I'll bet that where you are it is more "conservative". As far as he's concerned, the hell with you the region probably didn't vote for him anyway. The whole problem with "Socialism", "Progressivism", "Liberalism" etc. is that it encourages people to be dependent on government and condemns them to a life of poverty and despair. There's more than enough evidence to support this. Eventually someone has to pay for all of this and it ends up lowering the standard of living for all that are stuck footing the bill. Fortunately, not all states are like this and people are free to leave as many are doing. New York's other problem is the stranglehold that the public employee's and teacher's unions have on the state legislature. But that's another topic for another time. The best thing you guys can do is vote them all out of office starting with "Ill Duce" New York's beloved governor.
Last edited by Ex New Yorker; 09-29-2014 at 04:33 PM..
This is the race, not the primary. It was easy to send Andy a message in the primary. Now its real..... Voting a 3rd party splits the vote for Astorino and Cuomo. If you hate Cuomo, it has to be Astorino
Parties aside -- do you have children in school, and if so, are you familiar with what is happening with the Common Core? Or how Pearson influence helped sway Cuomo's giving them a huge contract for NYS educational services?
I read it was Bill Gates idea to bring common core to American schools. This was our future children will have the skills in mathematical thinking to compleat with China and India.
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