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Old 01-07-2008, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Wow.. I did hear lots about racism. I am from Tucson, AZ. And the city itself is at "crossroads" so it is not secluded. Perhaps it really is true.. there is less evident racism out in the west then lets say on the East Coast.

Eight years of living in Arizona I hardly experienced any racism or people around me. Yes in middle school there was these "gangs" bloods, crips, Brown Pride, but the "maturity" of those people and gangs was a turn off.


But overall there was not as much racism... or prejudice as lets say "Syracuse" .. interesting. I would have consider Rochester, and Albany though!!

Is Albany considered a college town?? For Business type degrees?
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Old 01-07-2008, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Wow.. I did hear lots about racism. I am from Tucson, AZ. And the city itself is at "crossroads" so it is not secluded. Perhaps it really is true.. there is less evident racism out in the west then lets say on the East Coast.

Eight years of living in Arizona I hardly experienced any racism or people around me. Yes in middle school there was these "gangs" bloods, crips, Brown Pride, but the "maturity" of those people and gangs was a turn off.


But overall there was not as much racism... or prejudice as lets say "Syracuse" .. interesting. I would have consider Rochester, and Albany though!!

Is Albany considered a college town??
I think it is, but it is really know as capital district.
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Before you were wanting to use the MSA area as a comparison. Now its the city?
I don't know where you are getting the 45 to 60k figure either. Those schools you listed in the "city" don't add up to that. Is there a large community college or something you didn't list?
What I am trying to state is Rochester metro area compared to Upstate is not any different in diversity. Now if you compare the cities and exclude the suburbs yes Rochester is diverse but it is not a big difference. Poughkeepsie was a good example compared to Rochester the city in diversity. If you are comparing Rochester to Syracuse or Albany than Rochester will be more Diverse from the census data. I was suggesting that is it possible that Albany being the smallest city of the group be more influenced by its large population of college students. The figure of 45 to 60k students is what I have heard that live in the MSA of Albany. Most of Albany County is the city itself.
The schools population that are inside Albany the city:
University of Albany=16,500 9% african american 5% Asian
Maria College=900
Albany Law= 900
Albany Med=1000
Albany Pharm.=1300
Sage=1000
Saint Rose=5,000 3% african
total= 26,600
Outside albany
hvcc=9000
siena=3100 2% african
Rpi=7000 11% asian 4 %african
Russell=720
union=2200 3% African 6% Asian
=22,020
So total Albany MSA=48,620 about 10%-15% of the total population is minority.

Rochester city=
U of R=8,500 5% african american 10% asian
Suburbs
Rit=15,000
Naz=3,000 2% african
Roberts=2,000 8% african american 1% Asian
MCC=15,200
Fisher=3,500 3% African 6% Asian
total= 47,200

So my theory was Albany has a smaller population, which is about 89k and too add college students into the mix would cause the city to experience more diversity than a city like Rochester. So Rochester city has a population of 204,963 and with a college base of about 9,000 students would only increase the population by 4.3%. So if that student population were very diverse it would have little impact on the area. Compared to Albany 89,000 total population the student population in the city is 26,600 people. So that would be an increase of 30% in the total city population. If 10%-15% of the college population are minority that could have an effect on Albany’s Diversity.
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:23 PM
 
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And of those numbers how many live on campus in a city and how many live off campus outside of the city of Albany? How many are minorities?
And how many of the suburban Rochester colleges have kids living inside the city? How many are minorities?
Several of the colleges you listed didn't have a percentage of minorities. What about the colleges in the Rochester msa that you didn't include like Geneseo or Brockport?
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:32 PM
 
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A very large proportion of RIT students actually live in the City; especially in Park Avenue and Ellwanger-Berry neighborhoods. Henrietta is mostly owner occupied single family homes; not really the ideal living quarters for off-campus students.
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:49 PM
 
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What I am trying to state is Rochester metro area compared to Upstate is not any different in diversity. Now if you compare the cities and exclude the suburbs yes Rochester is diverse but it is not a big difference. Poughkeepsie was a good example compared to Rochester the city in diversity. If you are comparing Rochester to Syracuse or Albany than Rochester will be more Diverse from the census data. I was suggesting that is it possible that Albany being the smallest city of the group be more influenced by its large population of college students. The figure of 45 to 60k students is what I have heard that live in the MSA of Albany. Most of Albany County is the city itself.
The schools population that are inside Albany the city:
University of Albany=16,500 9% african american 5% Asian
Maria College=900
Albany Law= 900
Albany Med=1000
Albany Pharm.=1300
Sage=1000
Saint Rose=5,000 3% african
total= 26,600
Outside albany
hvcc=9000
siena=3100 2% african
Rpi=7000 11% asian 4 %african
Russell=720
union=2200 3% African 6% Asian
=22,020
So total Albany MSA=48,620 about 10%-15% of the total population is minority.

Rochester city=
U of R=8,500 5% african american 10% asian
Suburbs
Rit=15,000
Naz=3,000 2% african
Roberts=2,000 8% african american 1% Asian
MCC=15,200
Fisher=3,500 3% African 6% Asian
total= 47,200

So my theory was Albany has a smaller population, which is about 89k and too add college students into the mix would cause the city to experience more diversity than a city like Rochester. So Rochester city has a population of 204,963 and with a college base of about 9,000 students would only increase the population by 4.3%. So if that student population were very diverse it would have little impact on the area. Compared to Albany 89,000 total population the student population in the city is 26,600 people. So that would be an increase of 30% in the total city population. If 10%-15% of the college population are minority that could have an effect on Albany’s Diversity.
Since I know you have never found a statistic you didn't like, can you please invest some time to find a way to display them so they can be read easily?
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Old 01-07-2008, 02:52 PM
 
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if you want to bring up diversity then i think it is important to note that buffalo is one of the only bi-national urban regions on the canadian border which has to count for something.

also consider tourists from the world over visiting niagara falls and if thats not enough then toronto is only an 1 1/2 hours down the road if traffic is decent.
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Old 01-07-2008, 03:22 PM
 
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You’re kidding right. Rochester the MSA is not diverse at all. The city is but the suburbs are 80% white or more. There is segregation in Rochester and the other Upstate cities. Most of the minorities live in the city and not the suburbs. In Monroe County there is a current black population of 103,000. (1 of 5 counties in the MSA) of which 83,000 live in the city of Rochester. So in the suburbs there are 20,000 blacks. 527,000 people live outside the city in Monroe County. So when you do the math that make Rochester 96% white in Suburbs. Albany County is 96%, Erie County 97%, Onondaga County 98% white in the suburbs. I do not see that Rochester has a big difference from the other cities. Yes, Rochester is the most diverse city in Upstate excluding the suburbs. Rochester also is one of the poorest cities in Upstate New York. Albany probably would be the diverse because there are about 60 to 100k people not counted in the population of Albany due to they are college students. That almost doubles the population for more than half the year. Which most students are from NYC and surrounding areas. The student body at most of the schools are very diverse.
Where did you get your information which said that Onondaga County is 98% white in the suburbs??? It is incorrect.

My town, the Town of Clay, is 92% White. Since Clay has 60,000 people in it, it's nearly impossible for the other suburban towns to bring the total suburbs to 98% white. More data for Syracuse suburban towns:

-DeWitt 89% white
-Manlius 94% white
-Salina 93% white
-Onondaga 94% white
-Lysander 96% white

Please stop assuming.... The Syracuse area is much more diverse than many Western New Yorkers believe....

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Old 01-07-2008, 03:29 PM
 
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The Statistics for the Syracuse Area - Demographic Profile for Onondaga County, New York

-82.2 percent White
-10.2 percent African American
-2.8 percent Hispanic
-2.5 percent Asian
-0.9 percent American Indian

-5.7 percent Foreign born persons
-8.9 percent Language other than English spoken at home

Onondaga County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

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Old 01-07-2008, 03:36 PM
 
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I'll do one for Rochester too. (so you can compare)

Demographic Profile for Monroe County

-75.9 percent White
-14.7 percent African American
-5.7 percent Hispanic
-2.9 percent Asian
-0.3 percent American Indian

-7.3 percent Foreign born persons
-12.1 percent Language other than English spoken at home

Monroe County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

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