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Old 05-18-2016, 06:38 AM
 
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Not sure how bad the situation is Upstate but on Long Island I think the cost of living has reached a turning point.

Yes, you are right that for years retirees have left New York for less expensive pastures. But its not just retirees that are talking about leaving now. Its middle age and younger adults also. And I work with a number of college interns at my job and every single one of them is talking about leaving New York, its the only way they could ever afford to both buy a house and pay the ever increasing local taxes. My neighbors are selling their house to move to Raleigh, North Carolina. And almost my entire family, my parents, my brother and sister, my cousins, my nieces and nephews, are all talking about leaving.

Look at my screen name. We go back generations here. I love Long Island, New York City and New York State but increasingly I think the handwriting is on the wall.
Upstate's cost of living is still relatively low/average, but it is a matter of getting more industry in parts of it. You always get talk about people leaving, but some do it and some don't. Some leave and come back. Some stay for good. With this said, as more people move south, COL is increasing there as well: //www.city-data.com/forum/gener...ost-rents.html Places can't grow and stay "cheap" forever, unless you sprawl out. Then, you may have to keep other things in mind in terms of costs. That why you notice in those states, property taxation can include cars, motorcycles, boats, etc and why HOA's are more prevalent, as they can serve as a privatize form of taxation. There's also the aspect of service needs/quality to compare as well. So, this will probably depend in personal situation and where in NY you are coming from.
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Old 05-18-2016, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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YES! Another Cruz supporter.
Actually, I didn't mind Cruz too much. And that is coming from a left leaning centrist, or as most would call me, a liberal. Cruz I think at a minimum was consistent in his beliefs, and someone who adheres to the constitution, and is intelligent (if possibly misguided for my beliefs).

Trump on the other hand, is an inconsistent, lying con-man. An unemployed actor from Queens. And those are Ted Cruz's words, not mine.

If Cruz ends up supporting Trump, however, I reserve the right to take back all of this!
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Old 05-18-2016, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Actually, I didn't mind Cruz too much. And that is coming from a left leaning centrist, or as most would call me, a liberal. Cruz I think at a minimum was consistent in his beliefs, and someone who adheres to the constitution, and is intelligent (if possibly misguided for my beliefs).

Trump on the other hand, is an inconsistent, lying con-man. An unemployed actor from Queens. And those are Ted Cruz's words, not mine.

If Cruz ends up supporting Trump, however, I reserve the right to take back all of this!
For a Liberal you're not so bad. Indeed Cruz was the real deal. A committed and dedicated Constitutionalist. I've listened to his father speak so it was not surprising that Cruz was a chip off the old block. Cruz' father Rafael knew what it was like to live in a country without a Constitution or basic civil rights. He personally suffered the consequences of living in such a country. He does not want to see the United States of America follow in the same direction. Ted Cruz did not have to fake his beliefs. One of the reasons why he was so articulate. More than anything I'd want to see Cruz on the Supreme Court.

You are indeed quite correct about Trump. I might add that he's an illiterate, semi degenerate, narcissist with no core political beliefs or loyalties except for Donald J. Trump. A detestable human being for sure. Some freakin' choice we have here. The only thing worse than Trump are the Clinton's both of them. I'm going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming to vote for Trump. Sorry, but I could never, never have nor will I ever vote for a Democrat or worse yet a committed Socialist. Not much difference in my opinion, though only one party will never admit it.

Politically, I'm an Originalist/Constitutionalist/Libertarian to the right of center.

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Old 05-18-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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You are indeed quite correct about Trump. I might add that he's an illiterate, semi degenerate, narcissist with no core political beliefs or loyalties except for Donald J. Trump. A detestable human being for sure.
Sounds like EVERY politician in the history of Planet Earth. I'd like to see Trump get in just for the amusement factor alone. Politics has become so PC and boring. Where are you Ronny and Nancy?
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Old 05-18-2016, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Actually, I didn't mind Cruz too much. And that is coming from a left leaning centrist, or as most would call me, a liberal. Cruz I think at a minimum was consistent in his beliefs, and someone who adheres to the constitution, and is intelligent (if possibly misguided for my beliefs).

Trump on the other hand, is an inconsistent, lying con-man. An unemployed actor from Queens. And those are Ted Cruz's words, not mine.

If Cruz ends up supporting Trump, however, I reserve the right to take back all of this!
I was trying to avoid this but I strongly disagree about Cruz being intelligent. He's hateful, spiteful, bigoted, selfish, entitled, and violent-minded but not intelligent. He is honest, I'll give you that. But so is Bernie; and while he may be too far left he's a far less despicable man than Cruz.

And that's coming from a right leaning centrist.
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Old 05-18-2016, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Just went to Corning today actually. Ate at Bob Evans. had a friendly chat at the Tractor Supply with a complete stranger. Admired the massive hills and drove by all kinds of things that totally don't exist here.

Got into Watkins Glen the other day and was again faced with how many transplants there are now from NYC and Jersey. And the attitude came with them. So much of the small town mind set is just... gone. It's sad.

Depressing even.
One more reason we left the state, the outsiders from NYC and LI who want to bend a place like Rochester to their will. Upstate west of Utica is like the Midwest, except with better scenery and incredibly high taxes.

Bad enough that so many people with rotten attitudes, and a generally callous attitude towards their fellow human, nowadays people from the East Coast are bringing their attitudes and abrasiveness to Rochester and other points in Upstate.
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Old 05-18-2016, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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For a Liberal you're not so bad. Indeed Cruz was the real deal. A committed and dedicated Constitutionalist. I've listened to his father speak so it was not surprising that Cruz was a chip off the old block. Cruz' father Rafael knew what it was like to live in a country without a Constitution or basic civil rights. He personally suffered the consequences of living in such a country. He does not want to see the United States of America follow in the same direction. Ted Cruz did not have to fake his beliefs. One of the reasons why he was so articulate. More than anything I'd want to see Cruz on the Supreme Court.

You are indeed quite correct about Trump. I might add that he's an illiterate, semi degenerate, narcissist with no core political beliefs or loyalties except for Donald J. Trump. A detestable human being for sure. Some freakin' choice we have here. The only thing worse than Trump are the Clinton's both of them. I'm going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming to vote for Trump. Sorry, but I could never, never have nor will I ever vote for a Democrat or worse yet a committed Socialist. Not much difference in my opinion, though only one party will never admit it.

Politically, I'm an Originalist/Constitutionalist/Libertarian to the right of center.
Agreed about Trump.

I think Bernie Sanders as a socialist gets a bad rap. The biggest problem in this country is the gap between the rich and the poor. Bernie wants to reduce that gap. That's 90% of his campaign. He doesn't want to eliminate the gap- everyone knows that doctors need to make more than janitors, its common sense. But if I got a pizza, and one guy comes and takes 7.99 slices out of 8 slices, there's a problem. That's whats going on here- the 0.1% own more than the bottom 90%.

Healthcare will help, college and lower cost vo-tech will also help, fix our infrastructure to provide jobs to people. No one should get a free ride and no one should hire illegals, I agree. I'm also ok with making able-bodied people work for welfare. Both conservatives and liberals have to give up a little and find common ground.
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Old 05-18-2016, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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I was trying to avoid this but I strongly disagree about Cruz being intelligent. He's hateful, spiteful, bigoted, selfish, entitled, and violent-minded but not intelligent. He is honest, I'll give you that. But so is Bernie; and while he may be too far left he's a far less despicable man than Cruz.

And that's coming from a right leaning centrist.
I wasn't a Cruz supporter but I listen to Glenn Beck (he's nuts but entertaining) and he's been on quite a few times and has fielded some tough questioning and held up well. He's consistent. I don't trust that he'll do the right thing, and he's a little too religious for me, but I didn't detest him like the orange faced lunatic that's running now.

To me, Bernie is as honest as they come.
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Old 05-18-2016, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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I wasn't a Cruz supporter but I listen to Glenn Beck (he's nuts but entertaining) and he's been on quite a few times and has fielded some tough questioning and held up well. He's consistent. I don't trust that he'll do the right thing, and he's a little too religious for me, but I didn't detest him like the orange faced lunatic that's running now.

To me, Bernie is as honest as they come.
I disagree with Bernie's honesty, but let's play along -- If I flat-out told you -- elect me, I will increase your taxes exponentially, and dictate to you every little thing -- this honesty is appealing to you?
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Old 05-18-2016, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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I was trying to avoid this but I strongly disagree about Cruz being intelligent. He's hateful, spiteful, bigoted, selfish, entitled, and violent-minded but not intelligent...
What do you base this on?


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...But so is Bernie; and while he may be too far left he's a far less despicable man than Cruz.

And that's coming from a right leaning centrist.
You prefer Bernie, the old-school communist over a conservative senator, and you consider yourself right-leaning centrist?
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