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Old 12-13-2017, 02:53 AM
 
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While the NYC metro area is expected to make such lists, the Buffalo, Albany and Syracuse areas appear in the third list in this article(for what it is worth): https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/12...t-hubs/547769/

The last sentence of the article may be a reason as to why they show up on that list.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:43 AM
 
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While the NYC metro area is expected to make such lists, the Buffalo, Albany and Syracuse areas appear in the third list in this article(for what it is worth): https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/12...t-hubs/547769/

The last sentence of the article may be a reason as to why they show up on that list.

And yet here is another article by the very same author from June of this year showing Rochester at 19 amongst large cities and the other cities weren't mentioned. Which do you believe or is it playing with stats? I thought it strange that Rochester didn't show up in the OP's article, but I concluded that Rochester has large number of both employed and self employed. Not enough to make the top ten of either list, but the top 20 of a combined list.


https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/06...pitals/530304/
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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And yet here is another article by the very same author from June of this year showing Rochester at 19 amongst large cities and the other cities weren't mentioned. Which do you believe or is it playing with stats? I thought it strange that Rochester didn't show up in the OP's article, but I concluded that Rochester has large number of both employed and self employed. Not enough to make the top ten of either list, but the top 20 of a combined list.


https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/06...pitals/530304/
Basically and why I mentioned "for what it is worth" in parenthesis. I think a lot, if not all, of these lists come down to a matter of how one plays with the criteria.


It is also interesting that the article you posted mentions 3 smaller NY areas as well. So, however you view or create the criteria, there seems to be some underrated arts scenes throughout Upstate NY. I'm sure that there are other cities/areas that could be mentioned as well, depending upon the criteria.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:14 AM
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Im sorry but this article seems to support the statement "that if you look long enough you will find your name on a list" LA & NYC have over 11K self employed artists, heck even Round Rock TX has over a thousand people. But 200/300 come on there are probably more "self employed" people involved with less than legal activities then these people are.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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This guy, Richard Florida really churns out a lot of articles. I would prefer fewer, more accurate material, myself.
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Old 12-26-2017, 07:04 AM
 
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Im sorry but this article seems to support the statement "that if you look long enough you will find your name on a list" LA & NYC have over 11K self employed artists, heck even Round Rock TX has over a thousand people. But 200/300 come on there are probably more "self employed" people involved with less than legal activities then these people are.
That is actually Austin-Round Rock, not just Round Rock itself. As we know, that area is one of or has been one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country.

Where the 3 Upstate NY areas seem to make the list is in terms of the increase in self employed artists, in relation to their pay which is between $8.50-$11 an hour. This may mean that people may be leaving the bigger Northeastern cities for cities like the 3 Upstate NY areas on that second list and others in the Interior Northeast.

This is also in relation to its Location Quotient information: We ranked America’s leading art scenes using a measure called “location quotient” or “LQ,” a ratio that compares a metro’s share of working artists to the national share. (An LQ of 1 means that a metro’s regional share is the same as the national average; an LQ lower than 1 means that the concentration of artists is less than the national average, and an LQ higher than 1 means that it is more than the national average.)

This is the actual article where Rochester, Ithaca, Hudson and Oneonta gets mentioned: The Top 20 Most Vibrant Arts Communities in America (2017) | National Center For Arts Research

http://www.smu.edu/~/media/Site/Mead...ancy_04-17.pdf

https://sites.smu.edu/meadows/heatmap/index.html

Also, from that previous article: https://blog.bea.gov/2017/04/19/new-...-s-and-states/

More: https://www.bea.gov/regional/arts-and-culture/index.cfm

https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/gen.../acpsa0417.htm

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Old 12-27-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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All of the "self employed artists" I've ever met upstate have been broke people who either can't find a job or are too lazy to.
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Old 12-27-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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All of the "self employed artists" I've ever met upstate have been broke people who either can't find a job or are too lazy to.
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Old 12-27-2017, 12:54 PM
 
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Yup. I should have specified their locations instead of making it sound like I know artists from across upstate. I know one "self employed artist" from Rochester and the rest are from the Albany area. Some live in Albany, while the others live in Cohoes and Troy.

They all are nearly dead broke and consider themselves too intellectual to get a standard 9-5 job.
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Old 12-27-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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Yup. I should have specified their locations instead of making it sound like I know artists from across upstate. I know one "self employed artist" from Rochester and the rest are from the Albany area. Some live in Albany, while the others live in Cohoes and Troy.

They all are nearly dead broke and consider themselves too intellectual to get a standard 9-5 job.
Interesting...Are they just “hardcore” about being strictly artists and/or do they think that other work is beneath them?
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