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Old 01-24-2018, 07:34 PM
 
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I have always viewed Rochester as being closer to Syracuse in terms of size, scale, urban amenities.

Buffalo is NHL, Syracuse/Rochester are AHL. It has with more big city amenities: light rail, big art museum, architecture, more national prominence.

But, lately I wonder if I have it wrong. By MSA level, Roch and Buffalo are pretty similar sized. Rochester's neighborhoods feel more developed. With the commercial corridors in Park Ave/Monroe feeling more like Elmwood/Allentown than anything in Syracuse. Rochester's suburbs also feel more extensive/cohesive than Syracuse's which can feel a little patchy.

What to other people think? Perhaps Roch/Buffalo are a tier above Syracuse/Albany?
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Old 01-24-2018, 09:10 PM
 
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Buffalo...They are practically the same in terms of population, but the difference is that Buffalo is smaller in terms of land area and in turn is more dense in terms of population.
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Old 01-25-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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In terms of Syracuse suburbs, I think they are similar to those of the other 2 areas in terms of the character based on the side of which the suburbs are in and that each area has a missing area in terms of suburbs. Meaning, that say the eastern suburbs of Rochester and Syracuse, as well as the Main Street Corridor suburbs in Buffalo have a similar character to them in terms of affluence and even style.

Then, there aren’t any western suburbs for Buffalo, northern suburbs for Rochester besides Irondequoit and really no southern suburbs for Syracuse besides tiny Nedrow.

In terms of streets, Buffalo and Rochester have those longer streets, but Syracuse might have the more well rounded(for lack of a better term) Downtown and also has another core district/area in what the American Planning Association calls the Greater University Hill area(including Westcott and University neighborhoods). Tipperary Hill is another neighborhood with its own scene as well. Streets like North Salina Street on the city’s North Side and James Street in Eastwood have some things, but have the potential to be like Elmwood Ave or Park Ave.

With that said, those 2 have more people than Syracuse and Albany in terms of city and metro population. So, that also has to be considered.

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Old 01-25-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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Buffalo...They are practically the same in terms of population, but the difference is that Buffalo is smaller in terms of land area and in turn is more dense in terms of population.

Erie County is about 40% larger in square miles than Monroe County. I believe that would make Monroe County more dense than Erie. Also, the entire Syracuse metro is equivalent to Monroe in Population.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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Erie County is about 40% larger in square miles than Monroe County. I believe that would make Monroe County more dense than Erie. Also, the entire Syracuse metro is equivalent to Monroe in Population.
I was referring to metro area land size. Rochester is bigger in terms of metro land size than Buffalo. Rochester Metro Area - USA.com™ (doesn’t include Yates County, which is now in the metro area)

Buffalo, Niagara Falls Metro Area - USA.comâ„¢

Yes, the Syracuse metro area actually has less people than Monroe County due to Cayuga County/Auburn becoming a Micro Area around 2010. If you counted adjacent counties next to Onondaga County not in the metro(Cayuga and Cortland counties), there is close to 800,000 people.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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Screw Syracuse they root for giants and jets!
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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Screw Syracuse they root for giants and jets!
That’s not necessarily true...lol I’d say that old timers are more about the Giants, but younger people tend to be split or lean towards the Bills. Maybe some like the Jets. A lot of Steeler backers among the locals too.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Erie County is about 40% larger in square miles than Monroe County. I believe that would make Monroe County more dense than Erie. Also, the entire Syracuse metro is equivalent to Monroe in Population.
Rochester is more than just Monroe County though and on the whole Rochester's entire metro is less dense than Buffalo's metro.
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Old 01-25-2018, 07:53 PM
 
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In my mind the best measure is Urban area.

By this measure,
Buffalo has 935,906 in 379.6 miles fro a density of 2,436 ppsm
Rochester has 720,529 in 324.5 miles for a density of 2,220.8 ppsm
Albany has 594,962 in 295.7 miles for a density of 2,012 ppsm
Syracuse has 412,317 in 194.9 miles for a density of 2,116 ppsm

So Rochester is about 300k bigger than Syracuse and 200k less than Buffalo. In between, but closer to Buffalo.

These maps show was is covered in each urban area.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/pol...oundaries-2010
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Old 01-26-2018, 01:28 AM
 
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In my mind the best measure is Urban area.

By this measure,
Buffalo has 935,906 in 379.6 miles fro a density of 2,436 ppsm
Rochester has 720,529 in 324.5 miles for a density of 2,220.8 ppsm
Albany has 594,962 in 295.7 miles for a density of 2,012 ppsm
Syracuse has 412,317 in 194.9 miles for a density of 2,116 ppsm

So Rochester is about 300k bigger than Syracuse and 200k less than Buffalo. In between, but closer to Buffalo.

These maps show was is covered in each urban area.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/pol...oundaries-2010
All of which are in the top 100 in the country, like their metro areas and CSA’s as well.
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