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Old 09-12-2021, 04:20 PM
 
Location: western NY
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How about they just leave everyone the fork alone?
That makes even more sense.
Statements like that overlook one BIG thing. The gas tax supposedly, and I say somewhat with "tongue in cheek", that the gasoline tax is supposed to be put toward the maintenance of roads, to counteract the wear and tear caused by the cars and trucks. EV will still cause wear and tear, but if they don't pay a similar tax, how is that fair?
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:11 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Statements like that overlook one BIG thing. The gas tax supposedly, and I say somewhat with "tongue in cheek", that the gasoline tax is supposed to be put toward the maintenance of roads, to counteract the wear and tear caused by the cars and trucks. EV will still cause wear and tear, but if they don't pay a similar tax, how is that fair?

Right, which is why I think moving to GWVR and miles for all vehicles probably makes more sense. If they want to keep the gas tax, sure, but then move that to funding environmental remediation instead.
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Old 09-12-2021, 08:38 PM
 
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How about they just leave everyone the fork alone?
That makes even more sense.
Right. Who do you expect to then bear the burden of building and maintaining roads? How do you propose those expenses get paid for?
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Old 09-12-2021, 08:44 PM
 
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Right. Who do you expect to then bear the burden of building and maintaining roads? How do you propose those expenses get paid for?
Use the tax money we already pay. We are triple dipped for the sole reason of paying for salaries, benefits, and “programs”. Remember tolls? The original plan with tolls?
Yeah. We’re being raped. Government needs to back off.
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Old 09-13-2021, 02:12 PM
 
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Your numbers on China are what the Chinese Communist Party want you to believe. They want to pay lip service to renewables, and try to force other countries, like ours, to use them (hamstringing our economy) while they build coal plants as fast as they can.

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You almost got the point--neither India nor China prioritize environmental policy or ecology over trying to bring the hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. Over the course of the 2010s, the amount of electricity generated from renewables in China more than doubled and the share of renewable electrical generation for China went from 20% to 27% with the majority of new generation over the last few years being renewables. They're putting in as many power plants as they can as their economy expands and that's their primary goal--not ecological or environmental concerns. It's due to cost effectiveness that the majority of it has been renewables.
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Old 09-13-2021, 03:21 PM
 
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Your numbers on China are what the Chinese Communist Party want you to believe. They want to pay lip service to renewables, and try to force other countries, like ours, to use them (hamstringing our economy) while they build coal plants as fast as they can.
Oh that's right, I forgot that India, Egypt, the UAE, Vietnam, Spain, the UK, the US and a host of other countries that have ramped up the total amount of electricity and proportion generated from renewable sources and are signing record low PPAs because that's what the Chinese Communist Party wants me to believe. It can't possibly be because technology changes or that economies of scale actually happen. Maybe electricity doesn't even exist and is a figment of the CCP's imagination. Wow!

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Old 09-14-2021, 03:19 AM
 
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Use the tax money we already pay. We are triple dipped for the sole reason of paying for salaries, benefits, and “programs”. Remember tolls? The original plan with tolls?
Yeah. We’re being raped. Government needs to back off.
You failed math, right?

There's not enough revenue in the system now to properly build and maintain the infrastructure but you want to eliminate some of that revenue and improve things. Genius plan!
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Old 09-14-2021, 05:35 AM
 
Location: western NY
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You failed math, right?

There's not enough revenue in the system now to properly build and maintain the infrastructure but you want to eliminate some of that revenue and improve things. Genius plan!
Agreed.............
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:07 AM
 
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Agreed.............
Stop squandering the money then.
Morons.
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:29 PM
 
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Stop squandering the money then.
Morons.
Right! Stop squandering money on things like maintaining roads and bridges, defund the police, stop education spending, eliminate fire departments and emergency medical services. Anything else? Anarchy comes cheap - government, not so much.
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