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according to Hochul "believing in strange things" offers no relief from her vaccine mandate. But now, she is getting in the way of millions of people from practicing their religion?
say I join a religion, which I have a right to do in america, any religion for that matter, and the pastor, priest or who ever tells us that the vaccine is the mark of the beast and we shouldn't take it because the bible says you will go to hell. Is someone not practicing their religion by not taking the vaccine? More over, if someone says, taking the vaccine is against my religion and puts it on record, and gets fired from their job, have just been fired for "practicing their religion?"
It would fall under religious discrimination according to OSHA
New York has a COVID-19 vaccine mandate in place for hospital and nursing home staff, and Governor Kathy Hochul wants to expand it to cover all state-regulated facilities and congregate settings.
Her announcement comes days after a state decision to further tighten the health care worker mandate, by eliminating religious exemptions against taking the shots.
“We’re going to be exploring all of our options to expand this, expanding mandates, not test-outs,” Hochul said Tuesday morning at a press conference in Buffalo.
This Section of the Compliance Manual focuses on religious discrimination under Title VII
of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII). Title VII protects workers from employment discrimination based on their race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, and transgender status),[2] national origin, or protected activity. Under Title VII, an employer is prohibited from discriminating because of religion in hiring, promotion, discharge, compensation, or other “terms, conditions or privileges” of employment, and also cannot “limit, segregate, or classify” applicants or employees based on religion “in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee.”[3]The statute defines “religion” as including “all aspects of religious observance and practice, as well as belief, unless an employer demonstrates that [it] is unable to reasonably accommodate . . . without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer’s business.”[4] “Undue hardship” under Title VII is not defined in the statute but has been defined by the Supreme Court as “more than a de minimis cost”[5] – a lower standard for employers to satisfy than the “undue hardship” defense under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which is defined by statute as “significant difficulty or expense.”[6]
according to Hochul "believing in strange things" offers no relief from her vaccine mandate. But now, she is getting in the way of millions of people from practicing their religion?
say I join a religion, which I have a right to do in america, any religion for that matter, and the pastor, priest or who ever tells us that the vaccine is the mark of the beast and we shouldn't take it because the bible says you will go to hell. Is someone not practicing their religion by not taking the vaccine? More over, if someone says, taking the vaccine is against my religion and puts it on record, and gets fired from their job, have just been fired for "practicing their religion?"
It would fall under religious discrimination according to OSHA
New York has a COVID-19 vaccine mandate in place for hospital and nursing home staff, and Governor Kathy Hochul wants to expand it to cover all state-regulated facilities and congregate settings.
Her announcement comes days after a state decision to further tighten the health care worker mandate, by eliminating religious exemptions against taking the shots.
“We’re going to be exploring all of our options to expand this, expanding mandates, not test-outs,” Hochul said Tuesday morning at a press conference in Buffalo.
This Section of the Compliance Manual focuses on religious discrimination under Title VII
of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII). Title VII protects workers from employment discrimination based on their race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, and transgender status),[2] national origin, or protected activity. Under Title VII, an employer is prohibited from discriminating because of religion in hiring, promotion, discharge, compensation, or other “terms, conditions or privileges” of employment, and also cannot “limit, segregate, or classify” applicants or employees based on religion “in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee.”[3]The statute defines “religion” as including “all aspects of religious observance and practice, as well as belief, unless an employer demonstrates that [it] is unable to reasonably accommodate . . . without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer’s business.”[4] “Undue hardship” under Title VII is not defined in the statute but has been defined by the Supreme Court as “more than a de minimis cost”[5] – a lower standard for employers to satisfy than the “undue hardship” defense under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which is defined by statute as “significant difficulty or expense.”[6]
If this is the case, might have to question the leadership. Especially when this isn’t done for other vaccines that we take for school or the military.
Also, do they have incite to when the new/third temple will be built in Jerusalem, as that will be a tip off to the end times according to many in the Jewish and Christian faiths.
Some the debate is among Christian/religious circles themselves. So, even taking the political aspect out of it, you still have different views within churches.
Wow. Never thought 2 governors would be removed from office in such a short period of time.
Sharpen your pitchforks and fuel up your torches.
Good bye Kathy.
There are literally hundreds of holy people throughout history that belonged to no organized religion, and lived their lives as hermits.
Paul of Thebes, commonly known as Paul, the First Hermit or Paul the Anchorite (c. 227 – c. 341), is an Egyptian saint regarded as the first Christian hermit, who was claimed to have lived alone in the desert of Egypt from the age of sixteen to the age of one hundred and thirteen years old.
There are people faithfully practicing beliefs that do not fall within the confines of mainstream religion.
We live in a country that allows us to follow God (or whatever other method they use to reference such a deity) the Creator, and try to live pious lives. Its a Constitutional Right and nowhere in the Constitution is one system of belief held above another.
The point of that being, there is no deity that requires anyone to 'join a religion'. It is a heartfelt calling between you and your God.
Elijah was, according to the Books of Kings in the Hebrew Bible, a prophet and a miracle worker who lived in the northern kingdom of Israel during the reign of King Ahab (9th century BCE). He was born Hebrew, he didnt join a Hebrew group and then set about learning how to be a prophet and miracle worker.
Clearly civil rights, and the Patients Bill of Rights are being violated.
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The short and unsatisfying answer: The courts will have to decide. And it will get there. In the end, I think the rulings will come down on the side of the vaccine mandates.
So, if somebody's "religion" required him/her to make a human sacrifice every three months, the government shouldn't interfere because "it is a heartfelt calling between you and your God", right?
I’m Ok with that as long as it’s a willing sacrifice, like someone of their own congregation.
If they’re not abducting random people off the streets then what’s the harm?
The short and unsatisfying answer: The courts will have to decide. And it will get there. In the end, I think the rulings will come down on the side of the vaccine mandates.
You predict the courts will find a way around the law?
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So, if somebody's "religion" required him/her to make a human sacrifice every three months, the government shouldn't interfere because "it is a heartfelt calling between you and your God", right?
You know of religions that feel a human sacrifice to their God every 3 months will protect them from Covid? You hang out with some strange fruit indeed.
You predict the courts will find a way around the law?
You know of religions that feel a human sacrifice to their God every 3 months will protect them from Covid? You hang out with some strange fruit indeed.
Isn't forbidding masks and vaccine in the name of religion in a sense another form of human sacrifice? Sacrifice one's own body to the virus, and sacrifice other's health and potentially life by increasing the spread of the virus?
And as far as equal rights and responsibilities, wouldn't it be most non-discriminatory if there were NO religious exemptions allowed? Everyone would be equally responsible.
And how many of these are really religious exemptions, or just something that was made-up when COVID hit? There are few religions that historically have avoided medical interventions and vaccines, so unless a person or a sect has a history of it, prior to COVID, only those should even be considered in the first place. Not because their megachurch minister suddenly deemed it to be so.
Your attempt at deflection falls flat because you're the one who claimed that somebody wasn't required to be a member of any organized, recognized religion in order to hide behind the First Amendment. Logically, if someone doesn't have to be a member of a recognized religion in order to hide behind freedom of religion to thwart a vaccine mandate, then anybody who kills somebody can hide behind freedom of religion by claiming that his/her personal "religion" trumps any law against killing someone.
There is no logic in that. Its purely your opinion.
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