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Literally every single metro area and micro area in NY state is losing population, slowly but surely. Based on Census data from 2019 to 2020, the biggest losers were:
I don't get it. The whole state lost 126K people in just one year, which is 0.6% of the population. I think it's mostly because of boomers finally retiring and opting to move south, to escape rough winters.
Literally every single metro area and micro area in NY state is losing population, slowly but surely. Based on Census data from 2019 to 2020, the biggest losers were:
I don't get it. The whole state lost 126K people in just one year, which is 0.6% of the population. I think it's mostly because of boomers finally retiring and opting to move south, to escape rough winters.
Estimates have been shown to be off at times. NY State as a whole grew to get over 20 million people for the first time and at least 4 of these areas actually grew from last official census. https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...rea/320-15380/
You are correct that back in 2013 I was very close to actually moving there while I was unemployed with limited savings. I remember discussing it with you in Jan 2013.
I am sort of considering it, but probably won't actually pursue it, since I'm now settled here in Jacksonville, FL and doing well with career and home ownership, etc. But after much thought, I really do think it would be my favorite region to live in the country. I daydream about it a LOT and have spent hours exploring places on Google maps. I may plan a visit/vacation there next summer.
Four years ago, I was applying to jobs all over the entire state of NY. I had a job offer in Albany, but declined it and instead accepted an offer for a job here in Jacksonville, FL since I believed it was the better opportunity. Occasionally, I regret my decision, but I feared that if I were to be laid off in Albany, it could be very challenging to find employment. I also remember having a phone interview with a recruiter in Rochester, and she giggled and said that people typically only look for jobs in Rochester if they have family in the area because of the long winters and tons of snow. She ended up ghosting me. So basically, it seems like upstate NY employers are averse to hiring outsiders.
Also, back in 2015, I had some phone interviews with employers in Buffalo, but was ultimately ghosted. I am under the impression that upstate NY employers are very averse to outsiders, unfortunately. Of course, this issue isn't exclusive to NY, but it seems extra prevalent there.
Regardless, jobs in my career field that are a good fit for me are still VERY scarce in upstate NY. As we speak, there are only a couple job postings in Buffalo, maybe one in Rochester, one in Syracuse and one in Albany, at any given moment. I think there was one in Binghamton, also. Typically only one or two job postings per metro area. Oh well, that's just how it is up there.
I grew up in WNY in Niagara county, worked at Harrison Radiator in Lockport for 14 years. The issue wasn't so much that the area was adverse to outsiders (well, from a people/social standpoint), there was just nothing to bring them there. Some of the highest taxes in the nation, bad job situation, poor roads, crap weather, excess regulations, high cost of doing business. Very few moved in (we did have some engineers at Harrison that moved in, but not many) and a lot moved out. Of the top-10 graduates in my high-school class, I was the last to leave. Most people in the area had family that had lived there for generations and never moved 50 miles from where they were born. So from that standpoint, a very parochial, sheltered population. But, people were still nice and welcoming.
I understand that things may have changed considerably since I left. Buffalo is supposed to have a pretty large criminal alien population now.
I grew up in WNY in Niagara county, worked at Harrison Radiator in Lockport for 14 years. The issue wasn't so much that the area was adverse to outsiders (well, from a people/social standpoint), there was just nothing to bring them there. Some of the highest taxes in the nation, bad job situation, poor roads, crap weather, excess regulations, high cost of doing business. Very few moved in (we did have some engineers at Harrison that moved in, but not many) and a lot moved out. Of the top-10 graduates in my high-school class, I was the last to leave. Most people in the area had family that had lived there for generations and never moved 50 miles from where they were born. So from that standpoint, a very parochial, sheltered population. But, people were still nice and welcoming.
I understand that things may have changed considerably since I left. Buffalo is supposed to have a pretty large criminal alien population now.
The fact that a significant numer were criminal aliens, rather than law abiding immigrants that went through the legal immigration process, comes largely from friends in the area I stay in contact with.
The fact that a significant numer were criminal aliens, rather than law abiding immigrants that went through the legal immigration process, comes largely from friends in the area I stay in contact with.
Where did you get that from? Refugees are actually vetted quite heavily and I didn't see anything in the article that mentions "criminal aliens". Perhaps they do not understand the process of how refugees get here and are not making a distinction. If anything, refugees are escaping a terrible situation like war, genocide, etc.
Growing up in the northern suburbs of Syracuse many of my peers in Middle school were kids from other places in the United States. I knew someone from Iowa, Michigan, and Florida. Some teachers were not from the area either, remember one from San Antonio, Texas. I went to a private school though. I grew up with well over a thousand new homes being built every year in my area. My bus went through neighborhoods under construction and many of the people buying the new homes weren't from the area.
According what I heard years ago, Syracuse in the 1970s and 1980s was the test market for new products because of the demographics matched the US average. After the 1991, everything changed and the test market moved to Columbus, Ohio.
Another Syracuse internet forum always has people posting questions but first saying they are new to the area. This has been in the last couple years.
Growing up in the northern suburbs of Syracuse many of my peers in Middle school were kids from other places in the United States. I knew someone from Iowa, Michigan, and Florida. Some teachers were not from the area either, remember one from San Antonio, Texas. I went to a private school though. I grew up with well over a thousand new homes being built every year in my area. My bus went through neighborhoods under construction and many of the people buying the new homes weren't from the area.
According what I heard years ago, Syracuse in the 1970s and 1980s was the test market for new products because of the demographics matched the US average. After the 1991, everything changed and the test market moved to Columbus, Ohio.
Another Syracuse internet forum always has people posting questions but first saying they are new to the area. This has been in the last couple years.
Correct about the area being a test market and you are likely referring to when Hancock Air Force Base was a regular AFB until 1983 in the North Syracuse SD(St. Rose of Lima and until recently St. Margret’s were Catholic elementary schools in the SD, with many going on to Bishop Grimes). It still gets some regular Air Force folks now though.
You also still had General Electric off of Electronics Parkway in the Liverpool area/SD(now where Lockheed Martin is located), which employed thousands. Similar for General Motors, next to GM Circle in the northern portion of DeWitt.
Miller Brewing and Nestle also had plants in Fulton that people from the northern suburbs and even the Syracuse would work at as well.
With that said, the other forum you are referring does get someone asking about the area on a regular basis. So, some are still coming to the area.
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