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Old 03-31-2022, 11:59 PM
 
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NY lawmakers failed to get baseline data to analyze bail reform impacts


They didn’t do their homework!

The lawmakers in Albany who initially passed the controversial bail reforms failed to require that state agencies perform a baseline analysis of its impacts — making it impossible to determine what effect the law has had on crime in the Big Apple, The Post has learned.

The egregious omission came to light as the fight over the law once again takes center stage in Albany. Gov. Kathy Hochul is pushing to trim the reforms back as part of the Empire State’s must-pass budget, which are fiercely opposed by progressive-led Democrats in control of the legislature.

The enacted legislation required the state agencies that oversee the court system and criminal arrests to track cases, but only after the law took effect. It included no provision to create a baseline for comparison by reviewing cases before the legislation kicked in — and the agencies have refused to produce one in response to media requests.

more: https://nypost.com/2022/03/31/lawmak...gn=android_nyp

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So Basically anyone that parrots the phrase "Studies show that the bail laws didn't cause crime to increase" are just repeating a lie.
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Old 04-01-2022, 04:56 PM
 
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Excuse me, but if I'm understanding your correctly, your title is a lie.

It's not that it would raise the crime rate. It's that they neglected to do a preliminary study.

On top of that, I don't think bail reform was promoted because anyone was convinced it would lower crime. It was urged because the current system is irrational and inhumane.
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Old 04-01-2022, 05:15 PM
 
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Excuse me, but if I'm understanding your correctly, your title is a lie.

It's not that it would raise the crime rate. It's that they neglected to do a preliminary study.

On top of that, I don't think bail reform was promoted because anyone was convinced it would lower crime. It was urged because the current system is irrational and inhumane.
Bail reform is irrational and inhumane. Taking away a judge's discretion to jail repeat offenders is not rational in a civilized society. Bail reform went way too far, and to dig your heels in and refuse to admit that is irresponsible at best.
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Old 04-01-2022, 05:44 PM
 
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Any system of bail in our country, given our constitution, needs to start with the basis principle that persons merely charged with a crime should presumptively not be incarcerated. Then, you work from there. That is where reasonable people can disagree. The current system does provide for bail in many instances. It does need to be amended, in my opinion, to permit bail in more scenarios where the defendant has certain markers on his or her criminal history and in more scenarios where the defendant has open cases.
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Old 04-01-2022, 06:08 PM
 
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Excuse me, but if I'm understanding your correctly, your title is a lie.

It's not that it would raise the crime rate. It's that they neglected to do a preliminary study.

On top of that, I don't think bail reform was promoted because anyone was convinced it would lower crime. It was urged because the current system is irrational and inhumane.
You are right, our current system is irrational and inhumane.

We put the rights of criminals over the rights of victims. Our revolving door justice system even lets career criminals with long records loose onto the public to commit more crimes. The result is a crime rate higher then almost any other Western nation.

It needs to stop.
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Old 04-02-2022, 08:53 AM
 
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You are right, our current system is irrational and inhumane.

We put the rights of criminals over the rights of victims. Our revolving door justice system even lets career criminals with long records loose onto the public to commit more crimes. The result is a crime rate higher then almost any other Western nation.

It needs to stop.
You are correct. While it takes away the rights of the majority of citizens, it's also inhumane to the perp themselves, who probably never had a father (intact family) in the house and never was taught right from wrong. Thanks to other websites, people all over the suburbs are attacked every night as parolies prowl the cul-de-sacs rummaging through cars and grabbing what they can. It's all caught on cameras, but never mentioned in the news. The left wing media seems to only fan the flames.

Time to get back to common sense.
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Old 04-02-2022, 09:28 AM
 
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Excuse me, but if I'm understanding your correctly, your title is a lie.

It's not that it would raise the crime rate. It's that they neglected to do a preliminary study.

On top of that, I don't think bail reform was promoted because anyone was convinced it would lower crime. It was urged because the current system is irrational and inhumane.
I think the last part is key, as this is an incident that played a big part in the reform: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...kalief-browder

So, proper execution of the reform is key.

I’m also curious to see if any type of bail reform is connected to increasing crime in other states as well or if things are more complex than what is stated.
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