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Old 08-02-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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I answered a few of these threads in the past.

I would definitely narrow your search down to SE Queens and Long Island. It's pretty obvious that these areas have a much higher concentration of middle-income black folks than other areas of the NY metro area.

The only truly rich/upper middle class black areas in the entire region that i'm aware of are Addisleigh Park (a section of St.Albans) and a section of Sag Harbor in the Hamptons. Most wealthy blacks move to white areas at this level.

The next tier down, you get the solidly middle class majority black areas which are Wheatley Heights, North Valley Stream, Northern Baldwin, Stearns Park aka northwest Freeport, Belmont Estates (in Babylon), SE Elmont, Northern Westbury. These areas remain solid since they have AT LEAST two of the following: Notably higher avg incomes by regional standards, zoned for good/decent schools and have an attractive housing stock.

And then the next tier down, you get areas that are a middle class/working class mix with a middle class edge. Example of this are Cambria Heights, Laurelton, Canarsie, Rosedale, Uniondale, Queens Village. These are still stable but you may not get the full middle class feel that you would get with the above areas since a decent amount of people are still not really middle class.

And then the next tier down which are areas that are a working class/middle class mix with a working class edge. Examples of this are Springfield Gardens, Roosevelt, East Flatbush, St.Albans, Hollis. Most of these areas have seen better days and were once comfortably middle class. They tend to have a very high percentage of homeowners but still have some crime issues. Definitely not rock bottom though.

And then of course, you have the not-so-great areas-
Hoods: South Jamaica, Wyandanch, Queensbridge, Hempstead, Gordon Hts ungentrified Bed-Stuy&Crown Hts
Worst hoods: Far Rockaway, Brownsville, East New York, Coney Island

And if your looking at other parts of the NY region, you should look at parts of the following: South Orange, Teaneck and Plainfield in North Jersey; and Hillcrest in Rockland County.
There appear to be some areas in Rockland and Westchester Counties that fit as well. Many, if not all of the census tracts posted seem to have pluralistically or predominately Black areas at least at the block level. There may be others with less than 20% Black in the census tract, but it seems like a good percentage to start from in order to find such areas in at least the smallest level.

I may do the same or something similar in the Upstate NY thread, but there are already census block groups that are around 10% Black and that have a median household income that may be viewed as at least lower middle class in that thread. There are some census tracts that would fit the same or similar criteria, adjusted for COL, that was used in this thread.

I will say that I found tracts in Hempstead, Roosevelt and Uniondale that were around or above $80,000, which kind of surprised me, given their reputations. I believe that Central Islip also had this.

There were other tracts that just missed the criteria one way or another as well in all of the NY counties outside of NYC.

Greenlawn had a tract that is 22% Black and a median HH income around $97,000, but there was a census block group within it that is 53-54% Black and had a median HH income at around $93,000. That census block group is in the South Huntington SD, according to the source.

So, there are such areas throughout the NY portion of the metro.

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Old 08-03-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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Hillcrest in Rockland and Uniondale in Nassau have sizable middle-income African-Americans.
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Old 08-03-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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Here is an example in Deer Park of a census tract that just misses the criteria, but has a census block group that does meet the criteria: Census Tract 122801 in Suffolk County, New York

Census Block Group 122801-4 in Suffolk County, New York

You can find this in other census tracts like this as well, where the tract has a census block group that is more middle class than others within the tract.
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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I answered a few of these threads in the past.

I would definitely narrow your search down to SE Queens and Long Island. It's pretty obvious that these areas have a much higher concentration of middle-income black folks than other areas of the NY metro area.

The only truly rich/upper middle class black areas in the entire region that i'm aware of are Addisleigh Park (a section of St.Albans) and a section of Sag Harbor in the Hamptons. Most wealthy blacks move to white areas at this level.

The next tier down, you get the solidly middle class majority black areas which are Wheatley Heights, Belmont Estates (in Babylon), North Valley Stream-SE part of Elmont, North Baldwin - Stearns Park(in Freeport), northern part of Westbury. These areas remain solid since they have AT LEAST two of the following: Notably higher avg incomes by regional standards, zoned for good/decent schools and have an attractive housing stock.

And then the next tier down, you get areas that are a middle class/working class mix with a middle class edge. Example of this are Cambria Heights, Laurelton, Canarsie, Rosedale, Uniondale, Queens Village. These are still stable but you may not get the full middle class feel that you would get with the above areas since a decent amount of people are still not really middle class.

And then the next tier down which are areas that are a working class/middle class mix with a working class edge. Examples of this are Springfield Gardens, Roosevelt, East Flatbush, St.Albans, Hollis. Most of these areas have seen better days and were once comfortably middle class. They tend to have a very high percentage of homeowners but still have some crime issues. Definitely not rock bottom though.

And then of course, you have the not-so-great areas where most are working class or low-income:
Hoods: South Jamaica, Wyandanch, Queensbridge, Hempstead, Gordon Hts ungentrified Bed-Stuy&Crown Hts
Worst hoods: Far Rockaway, Brownsville, East New York, Coney Island

And if your looking at other parts of the NY region, you should look at parts of the following: South Orange, Teaneck and Plainfield in North Jersey; and Hillcrest in Rockland County.
Here is some information on those areas. Addisleigh Park: Census Tract 042400 in Queens County, New York
Census Tract 043200 in Queens County, New York

Sag Harbor: Census Block Group 200902-7 in Suffolk County, New York (Black median HH income is a little over $132,000 and some of the blocks to the SE seem to have higher percentages of Black residents)
Here are a couple of articles on Sag Harbor: Black Hamptons Enclaves Caught Between Change And Tradition (PHOTOS)

'Sag Harbor' documentary profiles longtime residents | Newsday
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Old 08-05-2015, 06:01 PM
 
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Here is some information on those areas. Addisleigh Park: Census Tract 042400 in Queens County, New York
Census Tract 043200 in Queens County, New York

Sag Harbor: Census Block Group 200902-7 in Suffolk County, New York (Black median HH income is a little over $132,000 and some of the blocks to the SE seem to have higher percentages of Black residents)
Here are a couple of articles on Sag Harbor: Black Hamptons Enclaves Caught Between Change And Tradition (PHOTOS)

'Sag Harbor' documentary profiles longtime residents | Newsday
More Addisleigh Park info:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1N8gJzgA_M

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ndmark-status/

Historic Districts Council
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:29 PM
 
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^^ Looks like your screwed if your looking for middle class black life in Westchester. Both of the Westchester "census tracts" are zoned for a rock-bottom school system [Mount Vernon]. At least in the LI black census tracts, you can get some really awesome school systems

BTW: One of the Addisleigh Park census tracts has a median household income of $136k+, which I would definitely consider affluent. It looks like it's the wealthiest black census tract in the state:
http://www.usa.com/NY0810424002.html
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:37 PM
 
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^^ Looks like your screwed if your looking for middle class black life in Westchester. Both of the Westchester "census tracts" are zoned for a rock-bottom school system [Mount Vernon]. At least in the LI black census tracts, you can get some really awesome school systems

BTW: One of the Addisleigh Park census tracts has a median household income of $136k+, which I would definitely consider affluent. It looks like it's the wealthiest black census tract in the state:
Census Block Group 042400-2 in Queens County, New York
There is a census block group in the Greenburgh SD that is mostly Black, but it may only be a little bit better.

This isn't a complete list. So, there may be others.

Yes, it appears that Addisleigh Park has the most affluent mostly Black census tract. However, Freeport has a mostly Black census block group that is very close to that median household income and is in the list above.
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Old 08-06-2015, 10:29 PM
 
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There is a census block group in the Greenburgh SD that is mostly Black, but it may only be a little bit better.

This isn't a complete list. So, there may be others.

Yes, it appears that Addisleigh Park has the most affluent mostly Black census tract. However, Freeport has a mostly Black census block group that is very close to that median household income and is in the list above.
Correction, that first census block group is also partially in the Valhalla SD, which is a good district. So, that is the best bet in Westchester County, most likely and given the stats.
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:24 AM
 
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Census Block Groups that are pluralistically more/predominately Black and have at least $100,000 in median household income: Census Block Group 010902-2 in Westchester County, New York

Census Block Group 011504-2 in Rockland County, New York

Census Block Group 406202-4 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 406202-1 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 412900-1 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 414100-4 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 414201-2 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 003300-3 in Westchester County, New York

Census Block Group 004400-1 in Westchester County, New York

Census Block Group 061200-2 in Queens County, New York

Census Block Group 061400-1 in Queens County, New York

Census Block Group 409900-5 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 404901-5 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 404901-2 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 409800-4 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 405100-5 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 030600-4 in Queens County, New York

Census Block Group 056800-2 in Queens County, New York
More: Census Block Group 122502-1 in Suffolk County, New York

Census Block Group 303900-1 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 303900-4 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 303900-3 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 304100-1 in Nassau County, New York

Census Block Group 304202-1 in Nassau County, New York (may be most affluent mostly Black census block group in the state)
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