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Old 12-01-2009, 12:13 PM
 
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Buffalo and Niagara Falls would be a darn sight better off if most of the power came here and didn't go to NYC.

My power [NYSEG elec} comes not from the Falls [30 min away] but from the Kinzua Dam [a few hours away].

Two things could easily help this area:
1) More hydro power from the Falls ( less than 5% of the water is actually diverted)
2) The hydro power being used here, not downstate

Interesting that you brought that up, as I had that in mind when I said that about Buffalo and power/energy.
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Old 12-05-2009, 11:47 AM
 
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People will need health care, medicine and medical devices even with a complete financial breakdown.
Yup, let's hope all those docs and hospitals will work for the money $9/hr, no insurance, clients can afford to pay. Not going to happen. Health care is another bubble doomed to burst. I kinda like the idea of upstate NY being depopulated, it's such a beautiful area which yet to recover from all those years of "industrial glory".
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Old 12-05-2009, 11:31 PM
 
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Yup, let's hope all those docs and hospitals will work for the money $9/hr, no insurance, clients can afford to pay. Not going to happen. Health care is another bubble doomed to burst. I kinda like the idea of upstate NY being depopulated, it's such a beautiful area which yet to recover from all those years of "industrial glory".


I agree.
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Old 12-06-2009, 06:47 PM
 
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This is a very interesting question. Here are my thoughts.

NYS has shown modest growth of approximately 5% for the last 20 years. Given the current trend of 5% growth, the NYS population will be about 23MM in 2040. However other states are growing much faster, and by the time the 2010 census is compiled, it should fall to #4 in state population rankings, with Florida taking over the #3 spot. Current estimates show NYS only ahead of Florida by about 800,000 people. After that, the state will probably remain a solid #4 for several decades. The #5, #6, #7, and #8 states behind NY are Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan, none of which are growing rapidly. The closest rapidly growing states behind NY are Georgia and N. Carolina, which both have about half the population of NY.

While the Upstate population loss is well-known. However, what a lot of people don't realize is that while the NYC metro area has shown modest growth, the net domestic outflow has been 1.4 million people since 2000. The only factors contributing to NYC's population growth have been foreign immigration and the children born to those immigrants. Since NYC accounts for all of NYS' growth, these immigrants and their children represent all of the growth the for entire state. If any economic or political factor affects the flow of immigrants into NYC, the state's growth will be severely impaired and NYS will lose population.

The top five metro areas will probably remain the same: NYC, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and Albany. Based on current trends, the Rochester metro will soon surpass Buffalo as the second largest in the state. The difference is currently less than 100,000 and Buffalo is shrinking at a faster rate.
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Old 12-06-2009, 06:57 PM
 
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Rochester's metro has been closing in on the Buffalo metro population wise for a while now; Rochester already has the second largest economy in the state actually. The only thing is, it is only the large MSA that would be bigger; the city of Buffalo will probably still be larger than the city of Rochester, and Erie County will probably still be bigger than Monroe County. Rochester seems to have more potential to turn around and start growing again in the near future though (the population had been rising up until about 2003; where as Bufflo's metro population has been decreasing since the 1960's)
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:46 PM
 
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ERS/USDA Data - Population change 1990-2008 for new york
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