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We have a 2005 Jeep Wrangler. It keeps on going and I told my DH we need to run it until it dies. I don;t trust the new ones as much. Too much electronics which means too many potential issues and you can't fix them yourself.
Good luck finding yours.
Ah a TJ. Good for you! I currently have a 92 YJ. My first was an 85 CJ-7.
Yeah, I'm a member of a local Jeep club that is very knowledgeable about the newer JKs. I'm looking for a 2013 and newer, it has the most recent Dana front/rear axles and is more reliable. I'm not ready to go brand-new since they just made changes again.
Oh, silly me, I didn't realize the issue was all these stupid women who just don't know where to stand or how to use the proper words when they deal with male sales people.
This thread has gotten way off track with all the ridiculous justifications for bad behavior that women have experienced. If you are a woman who is fine with being talked down to, then you don't belong on this thread. If you want to justify women being talked down to, go away.
Since when is agreement with you the litmus test for who should be allowed to post in a thread? Please re-read the thread title.
You are trying to change the discussion. What is the OP a victim of?
vic·tim
ˈviktəm/ noun
noun: victim; plural noun: victims
a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.
I knew somebody who had no argument and had nothing to say back would pick on the whole *victim* word which is why I added the phrase "so to speak" afterwards. You people are too predictable.
In this case I mean someone who is entirely blameless for their behavior is being blamed for the disrespect that is heaped upon them.
But in what way was she a VICTIM? You are aware that words have meanings?
Because we know why the guy was there. We know why he was brought there and it was not just to wait around for a couple of hours. We are only getting one side of the story.
To you maybe, but to some of us we know exactly why he was there and why the sales manager was speaking to him. He had no place at that counter if she COULD handle the business on her own. I am assuming she new or suspected this was going to be expensive so she wanted someone else there to talk with the sales manager.
Do you know she did this?
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You're asking me to say whether or not she did something but you *know for a fact* why she brought those men?
Neither of those things were outlined. But you're only worried about what I know she did?
I have never in my life taken any man anywhere to do anything for me. I can tell you that right now. I can also tell you right now that I introduce myself and shake hands with everyone I do business with. That doesn't seem to matter.
If I don't get a chance to introduce myself first, the service person always addresses the guy that's with me. That's why I always put my foot forward first. So I don't have to climb out of the hole of being completely ignored and disrespected.
"Pleased to meet you. I'm stan4. This is my brother/friend/mother/cousin/whoever. I'm here to look at x/y/z."
Of course, if we're there for the guy, like shopping for his car or getting a TV for his house, I just let him do the talking because it's his business. Or if it's a girl or my mom or whoever.
....How can i let the service worker know this is unacceptable?
Instead of waving the "unacceptable" flag.
How about you put on your Grown Woman Boots and speak up! "Talk to me, I own the car." "This is my house, explain to me what you are going to do about the wiring."
Don't dwell on the horror of political incorrectness, speak up and take charge of the practical situation in front of you and get the information you need. Screw whining about about the injustice of it all, make some practical move to get things going in a different direction.
Is it not appropriate to consider our own body language, and how the conversation started, before assuming the woman was automatically in the right?
Because as women, if we want to be taken seriously, we have to stand tall, be confident, and speak up for ourselves.
Or do we just all have to be feminazis and hate men to be right?
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Instead of waving the "unacceptable" flag.
How about you put on your Grown Woman Boots and speak up! "Talk to me, I own the car." "This is my house, explain to me what you are going to do about the wiring."
Don't dwell on the horror of political incorrectness, speak up and take charge of the practical situation in front of you and get the information you need. Screw whining about about the injustice of it all, make some practical move to get things going in a different direction.
How about stopping assuming that women DON'T do this? Examples have included things like a woman paying the bill at a restaurant but change being handed to her male companion, or a woman directly identified as the hiring manager having an interviewee direct all responses to the man who happened to be sitting in on the interview, or the one asking a salesperson questions but the responses get directed to the man who happens to be there. A woman should not be obligated to have to educate a person that the person who asks the question is the one who the answer should be directed to.
But no, it's so much easier to assume that the women are doing something wrong instead of directing the blame at the people in these scenarios who are the ones actually behaving disrespectfully, or saying that the woman is the one with the obligation to try to make sure this type of behavior doesn't happen. Nope, I think the person at fault is the one who is supposed to be responsible for making sure it doesn't happen.
Yes, why do they do this, not "what women do wrong to deserve being treated this way" which seems to be what some people think it says.
You're missing the point. Nobody's saying it's "OK" to mistreat women.
If a guy's being a pig, how hard is it to assert yourself..? ~ In the moment, when it matters. Not just complaining about it for days and days on an internet forum.
Women's empowerment is exactly that: finding your voice and not being afraid to use it!
It's too easy to blame the other person. When really, it all boils down to us - men AND women. How we respond, react, conduct ourselves, and how we can all learn to do better next time...
But first thing's first - we have to be willing to take accountability in our exchanges with those in our lives.
How about you put on your Grown Woman Boots and speak up! "Talk to me, I own the car." "This is my house, explain to me what you are going to do about the wiring."
Don't dwell on the horror of political incorrectness, speak up and take charge of the practical situation in front of you and get the information you need. Screw whining about about the injustice of it all, make some practical move to get things going in a different direction.
Exactly, many today(doesn't matter what sex you are) do not speak up. The term "sheeple" came into fashion for a reason.
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Originally Posted by emm74
How about stopping assuming that women DON'T do this? Examples have included things like a woman paying the bill at a restaurant but change being handed to her male companion, or a woman directly identified as the hiring manager having an interviewee direct all responses to the man who happened to be sitting in on the interview, or the one asking a salesperson questions but the responses get directed to the man who happens to be there. A woman should not be obligated to have to educate a person that the person who asks the question is the one who the answer should be directed to.
But no, it's so much easier to assume that the women are doing something wrong instead of directing the blame at the people in these scenarios who are the ones actually behaving disrespectfully, or saying that the woman is the one with the obligation to try to make sure this type of behavior doesn't happen. Nope, I think the person at fault is the one who is supposed to be responsible for making sure it doesn't happen.
Please, what happened was wrong, but the OP never mentioned speaking up.
Many people today do not speak up when something isn't right.
I recently saw a good example of this. I gave a friend a ride to a hospital as they had to pick up some medical records. You had to take a number and wait to be called, we were there about 45 minutes and his number was close to getting called.
A woman comes in and I realized quickly she wasn't going to take a number and started her story to the clerk, no one(there were about 10 people said anything). I said to my friend that's not right, she is cutting in front of everyone, he said a couple of times he was going to say something but did nothing.
So I said something. It got a little heated than I asked others to show what number they were....LOL. She sat her rear end down.
Point is, you have to speak up. Not take the behavior and whine about it later.
Look at Yelp, people whine about a restaurant but few address the issue at the time.
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