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Old 05-04-2017, 05:35 AM
 
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Are there any estimates out there as to what percentage of "assembly line workers" are UAW?

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I know that GM has about 53,000 UAW members. Slightly below that at Ford. Not sure of the numbers at the other companies. I do know that at FCA, many of their salaried workers are also UAW members. Just a side note that several years ago when the salary at FCA voted to join the UAW it was actually a pay raise and a better benefit package that swayed the vote.
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Old 05-04-2017, 05:52 AM
 
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I know that GM has about 53,000 UAW members. Slightly below that at Ford. Not sure of the numbers at the other companies. I do know that at FCA, many of their salaried workers are also UAW members. Just a side note that several years ago when the salary at FCA voted to join the UAW it was actually a pay raise and a better benefit package that swayed the vote.
But does "assembly line" always mean "automotive"? Perhaps naively, I've always imagined "assembly lines" for a whole host of manufacturing companies and products. Honestly, I would've included even non-manufacturing jobs that are in factories/plants that require no formal training or certification (like at an Amazon warehouse, for example) as "assembly line workers." Is that inaccurate? Or are all (or the vast majority) assembly line workers UAW members? Again, without knowing the industry, I always assumed that was what set those "union" jobs apart as so much better than any other factory job. And that it only applied to the auto industry?
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Old 05-04-2017, 06:05 AM
 
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But does "assembly line" always mean "automotive"? Perhaps naively, I've always imagined "assembly lines" for a whole host of manufacturing companies and products. Honestly, I would've included even non-manufacturing jobs that are in factories/plants that require no formal training or certification (like at an Amazon warehouse, for example) as "assembly line workers." Is that inaccurate? Or are all (or the vast majority) assembly line workers UAW members? Again, without knowing the industry, I always assumed that was what set those "union" jobs apart as so much better than any other factory job. And that it only applied to the auto industry?
No most manufacturing jobs are not UAW represented jobs but some of those jobs have another union affiliation. Not all UAW jobs are in the automobile industry though the UAW represents casino workers, food handlers, vending machine operators etc. Many construction workers, truck drivers, electrician, plumbers are represented by other unions. The point I was trying to make in my original post was that I don't think most people are aware of how lucrative some factory/trade jobs can be especially when you factor in the benefits package.
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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But does "assembly line" always mean "automotive"? Perhaps naively, I've always imagined "assembly lines" for a whole host of manufacturing companies and products. Honestly, I would've included even non-manufacturing jobs that are in factories/plants that require no formal training or certification (like at an Amazon warehouse, for example) as "assembly line workers." Is that inaccurate? Or are all (or the vast majority) assembly line workers UAW members? Again, without knowing the industry, I always assumed that was what set those "union" jobs apart as so much better than any other factory job. And that it only applied to the auto industry?
Assembly lines for many companies.

Amazon does not assemble a product. Warehouse is a completely different type of operation.

A company like GE makes many different products with assembly lines. That's why I mentioned Fortune 500 companies. The ones that manufacture in this country have assembly lines and pay well.
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Old 05-04-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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"Middle age" is a floating term that is continuously redefined as average life spans increase. Generally it has hovered between the 40s and 50s. It also drives definitions of such terms as "old", "senior," "aged," etc.

"Working class" has generally been used to refer to "blue collar workers." I find that disingenuous and misleading as I believe the term should apply to all who receive remuneration from their labors. It seems to me to be a construct of labor unions and a particular political party that panders to and is coin-operated by them.

"Unemployed" usually refers to someone who wishes to work and seeks out but can't find employment for one reason or another such as a history of criminality, lack of education, mental, emotional and developmental deficits, etc. and those former workers who have been fired or laid off for whom no work is available.

As for me, at 70 I am decidedly well beyond middle age, was a government manager so decidedly a "white collar" worker and don't work, nor seek to, as I am retired and intend to stay that way until I reach the end of my shelf life and expiration date.
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Old 05-04-2017, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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I have no trouble with the term "middle aged", and at 50, that's probably a little past the mark.

Working class has always meant blue collar to me. BUT, that doesn't mean they don't make good money, our garbage collectors make 6 figures, as do police officers if they have applied themselves (along with a killer pension and lifetime medical for them and spouse). To me it has nothing to do with being poor, although those living paycheck to paycheck can be blue collar.
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Old 05-04-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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Interesting. I dont really think of police officers as working class. In boston most have a degree or even a masters and typically make 130k...its not uncommon for higher ups to make 250k...we have friend who made 300k!

Firefighters around here do just as well

I guess it varies...some CEOs may make less than a police officer.
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Old 05-04-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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Interesting. I dont really think of police officers as working class. In boston most have a degree or even a masters and typically make 130k...its not uncommon for higher ups to make 250k...we have friend who made 300k!

Firefighters around here do just as well

I guess it varies...some CEOs may make less than a police officer.
Do you consider "working class" and "blue collar" to be the same? Or do you think there's a distinction between the two terms?

While there are some commonly understood and accepted aspects of all the terms you've mentioned, there's a great deal of subjectively as well. For example, how much of a role does college education plays into defining social and economic "classes". For that matter, how much of a role does income play? What about other financial indicators, such as savings, inheritance, retirement...Its a complicated question.
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Old 05-04-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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I do not consider age 38 to be middle-aged! Not in any way!

Working class used to mean 'blue-collar worker' as opposed to 'white collar worker'. I think it still means that, but I have not researched it lately nor read up on it recently.

50 is definitely middle-aged, and not past the middle-aged mark.
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Old 05-04-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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38 seems a bit young these days for middle aged. Many people im related to are living until their 90s.
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