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Blake, in most cases you want to be sure you know what you're talking about before posting on a message board. Otherwise it makes you look very ignorant.
But for the sake of argument, let's assume you are correct that anti-slavery wasn't a liberal cause. That's only one of the causes I listed earlier. Care to respond to the child labor, the disabled, or the women's suffrage causes? I suppose those weren't liberal causes either, eh?
No, that is just another canard put out by liberals to whitewash their own sordid history. Read the Republican Party Platforms of 1860 and 1960, those are much closer to today's republican party than of today's democrat party. Sorry, you can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.
Haha. You need to take your own medicine, buddy. The facts are that the Republican Party of 1960 and the Republican Party of today are vastly different. As are the Democratic Party of 1960(dominated by Southerners) and the Democratic Party of today.
The major shift happened after 1960, before which the South was solidly Democratic. This switch can be embodied by Strom Thurmond in 1964 and countless other conservative, racist Southerners to the Republican party at that time.
Platforms and actions are two different things. To call Southern Democrats of the 1960s "liberals" is quite a stretch.
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Liberals will never see the enlightened side, not until they grow up out of their juvenile thinking patterns. Just so you know, Lincoln was a Republican, and the Civil War, under his presidency ended Slavery.
Again, I'm an independant..
the Civil War freed the slaves in the Confederate States. It took a constitutional amendment to free slaves in the rest of the states, which included NJ.
You live in New England. What do you think the result of Amendment One is?
Liberals will never see the enlightened side, not until they grow up out of their juvenile thinking patterns. Just so you know, Lincoln was a Republican, and the Civil War, under his presidency ended Slavery.
You do know Lincoln was a fan of the socialist revolutions in Europe in 1848? The few socialists in the United States during this time backed Lincoln. Party labels and ideology just don't line up as nicely as you want them to in this case.
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You do know Lincoln was a fan of the socialist revolutions in Europe in 1848? The few socialists in the United States during this time backed Lincoln. Party labels and ideology just don't line up as nicely as you want them to in this case.
LOL, yes the German generals in the Union Army were '48ers. Gen. Willich knew Karl Marx personally.
Bull. You're just promoting your liberal side and bashing the conservative side. You try weakly to sound legitimate but your hatred for conservatism is too powerful in you.
You get Stewart AND Maher on stage. You also get Limbaugh on another stage and sell tickets. Without a doubt, Limbaugh would blow away Maher and Stewart.
Like it or not, that's just reality.
As a matter of fact, it'll probably be 61% of the crowd going to Limbaugh and 39% going to Maher and Stewart.
I'm not liberal - I'm a moderate... I'm not a Democrat - I'm an Independent... I disagree with quite a bit of Stewart's and Maher's political views, but I look past that as their shows are purely for entertainment. What does Rush bring to the table entertainment wise? I mean seriously, at least throw a Hannity or a O'Reilly at me - whack jobs like Rush and Beck are not taken seriously in the big boy world.
Regardless - things happening in both political parties upset me on many levels, but this backwards ignorance of social conservatives that is making a mockery of our political system is what has me completely and utterly disgusted. The country is a mess economically, people are out of work, it's not pretty... But let's ignore all that and worry about ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS, WOMEN'S RIGHTS, and every other SOCIAL issue that we have already hashed out DECADES ago. That's the platform for those that have hijacked the GOP and pay off Limbaugh to spew his nonsense. Let's go backwards - that's a great direction...
Your percentage numbers are laughable because we both know the demographic that is Limbaugh v. the others... He's mainly on radio for a reason... and not just because looking at him will make one nauseous - it's because so many of his "cult" don't even have a TV and collect food stamps. They're going to shell out the bucks for a ticket to watch Limbaugh do what? Give bigoted speeches on how you should think? He's so doped up on prescription pills I'm surprised he even gets to work each day... and that's the guy you say would get 61% support from the country? Yup - laughable.
The GOP is sealing their fate because while they make this election season about backwards social conservatism, they throw away every chance at winning elections at any level... State, Congress, or POTUS.
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I'm not liberal - I'm a moderate... I'm not a Democrat - I'm an Independent... I disagree with quite a bit of Stewart's and Maher's political views, but I look past that as their shows are purely for entertainment. What does Rush bring to the table entertainment wise? I mean seriously, at least throw a Hannity or a O'Reilly at me - whack jobs like Rush and Beck are not taken seriously in the big boy world.
Regardless - things happening in both political parties upset me on many levels, but this backwards ignorance of social conservatives that is making a mockery of our political system is what has me completely and utterly disgusted. The country is a mess economically, people are out of work, it's not pretty... But let's ignore all that and worry about ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS, WOMEN'S RIGHTS, and every other SOCIAL issue that we have already hashed out DECADES ago. That's the platform for those that have hijacked the GOP and pay off Limbaugh to spew his nonsense. Let's go backwards - that's a great direction...
Your percentage numbers are laughable because we both know the demographic that is Limbaugh v. the others... He's mainly on radio for a reason... and not just because looking at him will make one nauseous - it's because so many of his "cult" don't even have a TV and collect food stamps. They're going to shell out the bucks for a ticket to watch Limbaugh do what? Give bigoted speeches on how you should think? He's so doped up on prescription pills I'm surprised he even gets to work each day... and that's the guy you say would get 61% support from the country? Yup - laughable.
The GOP is sealing their fate because while they make this election season about backwards social conservatism, they throw away every chance at winning elections at any level... State, Congress, or POTUS.
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Still can't rep you again. I'm also a moderate independent. I've about had it with these threads.
Anyone who thinks that Rush's rants on Sandra Fluke were entertainment. . .well. . it's hopeless.
Independent here as well. I usually criticize both ends of the political spectrum with equal fervor, but lately the right wingers have earned much more of my wrath.
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Independent here as well. I usually criticize both ends of the political spectrum with equal fervor, but lately the right wingers have earned much more of my wrath.
Same here. We are the people that both sides need to win in November. I have never voted a straight ticket, but this year, if they keep it up, I will.
I'm not liberal - I'm a moderate... I'm not a Democrat - I'm an Independent... I disagree with quite a bit of Stewart's and Maher's political views, but I look past that as their shows are purely for entertainment. What does Rush bring to the table entertainment wise? I mean seriously, at least throw a Hannity or a O'Reilly at me - whack jobs like Rush and Beck are not taken seriously in the big boy world.
Regardless - things happening in both political parties upset me on many levels, but this backwards ignorance of social conservatives that is making a mockery of our political system is what has me completely and utterly disgusted. The country is a mess economically, people are out of work, it's not pretty... But let's ignore all that and worry about ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS, WOMEN'S RIGHTS, and every other SOCIAL issue that we have already hashed out DECADES ago. That's the platform for those that have hijacked the GOP and pay off Limbaugh to spew his nonsense. Let's go backwards - that's a great direction...
Your percentage numbers are laughable because we both know the demographic that is Limbaugh v. the others... He's mainly on radio for a reason... and not just because looking at him will make one nauseous - it's because so many of his "cult" don't even have a TV and collect food stamps. They're going to shell out the bucks for a ticket to watch Limbaugh do what? Give bigoted speeches on how you should think? He's so doped up on prescription pills I'm surprised he even gets to work each day... and that's the guy you say would get 61% support from the country? Yup - laughable.
The GOP is sealing their fate because while they make this election season about backwards social conservatism, they throw away every chance at winning elections at any level... State, Congress, or POTUS.
Referring to his appearance, his "cult" following on food stamps, his former prescription addiction, etc.. Keep it on a somewhat mature level if you wish to make your point.
As for the percentages, you obviously missed my point in "jest". Remember the underlying reason for all this bickering here? Bringing in John Stewart and Mississippi and Jesse Helms is once again, grasping at what you can get a hold of to help save your case. Maybe the further you get away from the amendment vote last week will somehow sway "somebody" out there.
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Still can't rep you again. I'm also a moderate independent. I've about had it with these threads.
Anyone who thinks that Rush's rants on Sandra Fluke were entertainment. . .well. . it's hopeless.
The way the left has treated conservative women in the public eye is a disgrace. But as long as its against conservatives, its somehow excused. If conservatives take on liberal women who put themselves in the public spotlight, its a "War on Women" and all hell breaks loose.
Rush's comments regarding Fluke should have been handled more tastefully but what she was advocating for and what she was "wanting" from the government was disgusting. She's a total embarrassment to the liberal cause and all women.
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