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Old 06-14-2012, 10:33 PM
 
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Don't be surprised when Neanderthals act like Neanderthals, but they definitely are out to ruin the previously progressive image of the state.

The state House, in a 73-47 vote, gave final approval on Wednesday to a bill that social-justice advocates say would essentially gut the Racial Justice Act. Five Democrats broke ranks to vote with Republicans for the measure, giving it a veto-proof margin, the Raleigh News & Observer reported.

The bill now goes back to the Senate, where it is also expected to pass by a veto-proof margin.

North Carolina lawmakers move to scale back Racial Justice Act - U.S. News
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Old 06-14-2012, 10:57 PM
 
Location: The 12th State
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Ah more legislation done in private. Who was the five democrats.

I really think we should just do away with death penalty period, it costs the state more money for death penalty cases than life sentences. Then this act would be void.
Death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution than the a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment.

How do you racial profile with in today era with the mix of culture that can be picked for today's jurors.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:57 AM
 
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I just hope the fair-minded majority in NC will get off their butts and vote this fall. Voter apathy is the reason most of these backwards bumpkins were elected, although it's a solemn reminder that there are still too many voters who can't think for themselves. I guess it's much easier for them to vote based on inciteful 30-second TV and radio ads than it is to do a little research and thinking. Meanwhile our economy remains stagnant, our school systems are struggling, and funding for programs that help the less fortunate is being severely reduced.

They are steadfast in their efforts to return NC to the ante-bellum days.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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Good.

This was a stupid law that is going to tie up the court system for decades. Cases should be appealed based on evidence, not emotion or political correctness. Yes, there was injustice in the past however there are legal remedies for it. Not everyone in prison is innocent either.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Garner, NC
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Good.

This was a stupid law that is going to tie up the court system for decades. Cases should be appealed based on evidence, not emotion or political correctness. Yes, there was injustice in the past however there are legal remedies for it. Not everyone in prison is innocent either.
Well put.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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Good.

Cases should be appealed based on evidence, not emotion or political correctness.

Brad, the above statement is absolutely correct. Yet the legislature just passed a bill to restrict the evidence that's allowed to prove racial bias. How can restricting evidence be a good thing for the pursuit of justice?


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Yes, there was injustice in the past however there are legal remedies for it. Not everyone in prison is innocent either.
Unfortunately racism is quite alive and well in NC even today, and the legal remedies available before the original act was passed did not allow statistical evidence as a basis for proving racial bias. And this isn't about innocence or guilt--the original act does not provide for reversing trial decisions. It's about a fair playing field in sentencing, that's all.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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Racism and bigotry are not only alive and well in NC today, they have taken over the state's government. People of conscience and other enlightened people need to wake up and not just vote, but exert influence on the social fabric of the state.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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Honest question: what's the big deal? This has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. The person has committed such a heinous act that his/her sentencing options are either life in jail or the death penalty. I, myself, would hope that the said person would receive the death penalty. It eliminates one more threat to humanity. Also, I wouldn't care if the person were white, black, brown, yellow, red, or green.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:43 AM
 
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Yet the legislature just passed a bill to restrict the evidence that's allowed to prove racial bias. How can restricting evidence be a good thing for the pursuit of justice?
I was referring to evidence of the crime the person was convicted of. You cannot "prove" racial bias unless you can somehow read the minds of every juror. The method they are using to "prove" bias is based on statistical analysis which is not evidence. Make an appeal, review the evidence of the actual crime (blood, weapons, DNA, etc.) and make a decision.
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Old 06-15-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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I was referring to evidence of the crime the person was convicted of. You cannot "prove" racial bias unless you can somehow read the minds of every juror. The method they are using to "prove" bias is based on statistical analysis which is not evidence. Make an appeal, review the evidence of the actual crime (blood, weapons, DNA, etc.) and make a decision.
Sorry, but you're missing the point of the whole issue. The fact is that, given similar case circumstances, blacks are far more likely to be sentenced to death than whites. In other words, they do look at the evidence of the actual crime, and come to different conclusions about the sentence based solely on race.

And yes, statistical analysis certainly is evidence. Even with the changes in this recent bill, the law still recognizes that statistics are a valid means to prove racism--they just restricted the nature of the type of statistics allowed.

And before you go there, realize that the original act does not mean every sentence will be overturned in the face of statistical evidence. A hearing will determine that, and each case will be evaluated individually. Even if someone proves systemic racial bias, the facts of their case may still warrant the death penalty.
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