What bordering state does NC share a stronger tie with? (Charlotte: wedding, rank)

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by JoeTarheel

Good analysis of NC/VA...and I guess SC is kinda like GA minus Atlanta - but it's hard to ignore Atlanta in the comparison, so I have to say that SC and GA are not very compatible.

Actually, they are. In this case, it's really only the core of metro Atlanta that's more sharply contrasted with SC, namely Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb, Gwinnett, and maybe Clayton counties. The rest of the metro counties are obviously tied to Atlanta, but are just conservative suburbia and aren't too different from what you find in SC's largest metro areas.

[JoeTarheel]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Actually, they are. In this case, it's really only the core of metro Atlanta that's more sharply contrasted with SC, namely Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb, Gwinnett, and maybe Clayton counties. The rest of the metro counties are obviously tied to Atlanta, but are just conservative suburbia and aren't too different from what you find in SC's largest metro areas.

I guess the glaring difference between the two states is the metro with 5 million people. It's hard to put the two together with that kind of disparity.

It seems like Georgia has a much stronger relationship with Alabama than SC.

[JoeTarheel]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

As I stated in my first post in this thread, NC is more like VA, but is more tied to SC.

Well then we disagree...I guess my area of NC is so much more tied to VA that it's hard to agree with you.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by JoeTarheel

I guess the glaring difference between the two states is the metro with 5 million people. It's hard to put the two together with that kind of disparity.

Not necessarily. As I stated, the gravity of the metro and the major differences with SC rests in the core. The more far-flung counties--Forsyth, Dawson, Rockdale, Douglas, Bartow, Cherokee, Carroll, etc.--, which constitute a larger geographic area than the core, could be in SC and not stick out like a sore thumb whatsoever. Culturally, politically, and even economically, there's not a ton of difference. More specifically, the northern metro counties remind me of areas in Upstate SC (Gainesville even reminds me of Spartanburg) and the southern counties remind me of areas surrounding Columbia and Charleston. I'm a native of SC and currently live in metro Atlanta, so I see it first hand.

It seems like Georgia has a much stronger relationship with Alabama than SC.

"Much" stronger? It may be a little stronger but I wouldn't say by much. In terms of metros, the Columbus area is tied in with Auburn/Opelika, but Augusta's metro extends across the SC state line and Savannah and Hilton Head/Beaufort obviously share ties. People from areas of northeast Georgia, like Toccoa, Lavonia, etc. travel to Anderson and Greenville for amenities and such.

Originally Posted by JoeTarheel

Well then we disagree...I guess my area of NC is so much more tied to VA that it's hard to agree with you.

Yes, but the state has a whole has many more reciprocal ties to SC and that's readily demonstrable although the connection to VA (which seems to be more one-sided) is more palpable for you.

[JoeTarheel]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Not necessarily. As I stated, the gravity of the metro and the major differences with SC rests in the core. The more far-flung counties--Forsyth, Dawson, Rockdale, Douglas, Bartow, Cherokee, Carroll, etc.--, which constitute a larger geographic area than the core, could be in SC and not stick out like a sore thumb whatsoever. Culturally, politically, and even economically, there's not a ton of difference. More specifically, the northern metro counties remind me of areas in Upstate SC (Gainesville even reminds me of Spartanburg) and the southern counties remind me of areas surrounding Columbia and Charleston. I'm a native of SC and currently live in metro Atlanta, so I see it first hand.



"Much" stronger? It may be a little stronger but I wouldn't say by much. In terms of metros, the Columbus area is tied in with Auburn/Opelika, but Augusta's metro extends across the SC state line and Savannah and Hilton Head/Beaufort obviously share ties. People from areas of northeast Georgia, like Toccoa, Lavonia, etc. travel to Anderson and Greenville for amenities and such.



Yes, but the state has a whole has many more reciprocal ties to SC and that's readily demonstrable although the connection to VA (which seems to be more one-sided) is more palpable for you.

Like I said, we obviously disagree...you think you're right and I think I'm right - we are both judging from the relationship our individual area has with it's neighboring state...mine is stronger with VA, yours with SC. My opinion is just different from yours.

As far as AL and GA, having lived in Atlanta for 20+ years I have a pretty good gauge on the relationship that the metro area has with each state. There are far more people with roots in AL than in SC living in Atlanta(Augusta and Columbus don't hold a lot of importance in this discussion) . Birmingham sends new residents over in I-20 constantly. And I hate to tell you, but people in North Georgia don't travel to Greenville for amenities - they travel to Atlanta. It's closer and much larger.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by JoeTarheel

Like I said, we obviously disagree...you think you're right and I think I'm right - we are both judging from the relationship our individual area has with it's neighboring state...mine is stronger with VA, yours with SC. My opinion is just different from yours.

I'm basing this assessment on actual objective criteria though, across several areas in both states, and not just opinion, as delineated in my previous posts. Quantitatively, NC has more ties to SC. That can pretty much be determined objectively.

As far as AL and GA, having lived in Atlanta for 20+ years I have a pretty good gauge on the relationship that the metro area has with each state. There are far more people with roots in AL than in SC living in Atlanta(Augusta and Columbus don't hold a lot of importance in this discussion) . Birmingham sends new residents over in I-20 constantly. And I hate to tell you, but people in North Georgia don't travel to Greenville for amenities - they travel to Atlanta. It's closer and much larger.

I wasn't talking solely about metro Atlanta; I was talking about the state of GA as a whole and its connections to AL/SC. Overall, the ties are about even but I do agree that metro Atlanta has a closer connection with AL; the metro area even includes one county in AL. And I specifically said that people in northeast GA (e.g., Toccoa, Lavonia, Hartwell, etc.) travel to Anderson and Greenville for amenities because they are closer and Upstate residents can attest to that (as have people who live in that area that I have worked with here in GA). Please quote me correctly.

[JoeTarheel]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

I'm basing this assessment on actual objective criteria though and not just opinion, as delineated in previous posts. Quantitatively, NC has more ties to SC. That can pretty much be determined objectively.



I wasn't talking solely about metro Atlanta; I was talking about the state of GA as a whole and its connections to AL/SC. Overall, the ties are about even but I do agree that metro Atlanta has a closer connection with AL; the metro area even includes one county in AL. And I specifically said that people in northeast GA (e.g., Toccoa, Lavonia, Hartwell, etc.) travel to Anderson and Greenville for amenities because they are closer and Upstate residents can attest to that. Please quote me correctly.

Um, no it doesn't. That's simply your opinion. Period. Do we need to have a lesson on fact/opinion? I have taught that lesson many times to my 3rd graders.

Atlanta is more than half the state of Georgia...that's the reason it weighs so heavily in this discussion. All of northeast Ga is not closer to Anderson/Greenville - parts of it are closer to Atlanta...and Northeast GA is part of North Ga.

It sounds like you're just looking for everyone to agree with you here. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. Like I said, we can agree to disagree but there is no need to tell me that my opinion is wrong. Several comments in the thread have agreed with me.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by JoeTarheel

Um, no it doesn't. That's simply your opinion. Period. Do we need to have a lesson on fact/opinion? I have taught that lesson many times to my 3rd graders.

Look, it's not necessary to insult my intelligence just because you disagree with me. It's obvious you have to resort to this because you can't refute the factual statements I made earlier. And one can do a simple Google search and type in "Carolinas" and several organizations and such will pop up. Do the same for NC and VA and you'll get much fewer in comparison. NC and VA share no professional sports teams; I've not seen a healthcare system that covers both states like one that covers the Carolinas; I've not seen regional partnerships that cover NC and VA; etc. This is factual information that I described in my previous post.

Atlanta is more than half the state of Georgia. All of northeast Ga is not closer to Anderson/Greenville - parts of it are closer to Atlanta...and Northeast GA is part of North Ga.

I'm aware of that (I do live here after all), and I specifically delineated the portions of northeast GA that gravitate more to areas in SC for amenities and such. I mean seriously, you have to resort to this when I'm being clear in the areas I'm talking about? Why pick unnecessary fights? And living in the northern metro of Atlanta and having worked in north GA for the past two years (Gilmer and Hall counties to be exact, with some travel to other counties), a distinction tends to be made between northeast and northwest GA.

Northeast Georgia is a region of the Georgia in the United States. The northern part is also in the north Georgia mountains, while the southern part (east of metro Atlanta) is still hilly but much flatter in topography. Northeast Georgia is also served by the Asheville/Spartanburg/Greenville/Anderson market (Western North Carolina and Upstate South Carolina).

Northeast Georgia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It sounds like you're just looking for everyone to agree with you here. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. Like I said, we can agree to disagree but there is no need to tell me that my opinion is wrong. Several comments in the thread have agreed with me.

And that's fine but the fact of the matter is that I'm basing my assessment on overall factual information, whereas you limit yours simply to the part of NC you live in. I'm looking at the big picture and you aren't. Quantitatively, NC has more ties to SC. That's not in the realm of opinion; it can be determined factually and is indeed true. If you refuse to accept that fact, then that's on you. Sounds like it's YOU that needs a lesson in the distinction between the two.

[JoeTarheel]

LOL! I told you how I feel, so just deal with it. This is obviously very important to you (and to almost no one else).

You are not wrong, I am not wrong. We both have stated our opinions and we disagree. End of story.

Let's be mature stop arguing, okay?

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by JoeTarheel

LOL! I told you how I feel, so just deal with it. This is obviously very important to you (and to almost no one else).

You are not wrong, I am not wrong. We both have stated our opinions and we disagree. End of story.

I don't deal with feelings; I deal with facts. You should learn to do the same, especially since you say your profession depends on it.

If it's "very important" to me, then it must be to you as well since you're taking the time to engage me in the discussion.

And yes, you are wrong. This is something that can be determined factually and objectively. You can disagree, but that doesn't mean that both of our positions are in the realm of opinion because they aren't (well, mine isn't anyway).