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Yes, that was my point, and that is exactly what I meant when I said ANY driver.
And no one has provided any citation to support the statement that it is illegal to turn right on red arrow, though the statement has been made, though one response linked to a law applying ONLY to motorcycles.
That the part you are mislead this poster in no shape or form claim only motorcycle
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Originally Posted by jol43
In North Carolina, effective Dec. 1, 2007, motorcycles can make a left turn on red, after waiting 3 minutes with no traffic approaching, but only at intersections with trip wires embedded in the pavement.
This poster only stating a motorcycle would have a different road law with right on red. There is intersections stating for all drivers no right on red is not permissable and post 19 just simply states her opinion in which can be verified in the above link to the statue in what ways it can be done.
No reason to make a big deal over facts. http://bestsmileys.com/dancing/10.gif (broken link)
That the part you are mislead this poster in no shape or form claim only motorcycle
This poster only stating a motorcycle would have a different road law with right on red. There is intersections stating for all drivers no right on red is not permissable and post 19 just simply states her opinion in which can be verified in the above link to the statue in what ways it can be done.
No reason to make a big deal over facts. http://bestsmileys.com/dancing/10.gif (broken link)
First please refer to the message (//www.city-data.com/forum/2616057-post18.html) I quoted in my response, as this is the statement I was challenging, not the off topic message about motorcycles immediately before my response.
The topic was about is it legal or illegal to make right on red turns when there is a RED ARROW on the traffic light. No specific type of vehicle was specified!!!! So lets go out on a limb here and assume that we are talking about the most common vehicle on our streets, a privately owned personal vehicle, driven by a person with a standard Class C drivers license.
I have also acknowledged that there are some intersections that are marked with signs "NO RIGHT ON RED", which at least to me requires no further explanation to understand the meaning. Now I could find and cite the law that forbids School Buses from ever making "right on red" turns, but that makes no sense in this discussion, no more than citing the motorcycle law, so I refrain from doing so.
I quoted a statement that says that is illegal to turn right on red arrow without any reference to which type of vehicle is being operated, or any other signs controlling the permissibility of turning right on red. I asked for a link to a citation of the law, and you responded with a motorcycle only law. I don't get it! (remember: I was quoting a message that did not in any way indicate what kind of vehicle was being driven)
Oh! and LEOs and Judges DO make a big deal over facts, so if it is actually illegal to turn right on a red arrow (for the majority of vehicles/drivers) as stated in message #18 //www.city-data.com/forum/2616057-post18.html I really would like to see a link to that law. (I can't find it )
My DH called the HP to ask this question and they said YES, you are allowed to turn right on a red arrow after stopping. The law does not distinguish in this case between a red ball and a red arrow. The only time you cannot turn right on red in this state is if there is a sign saying you can't.
Here's a N&O article interviewing a HP that says the same thing:newsobserver.com |Crosstown Traffic - Turn? Turn. Turn!
As others have mentioned, the right arrow means it's a right turn lane only.
Sent By: AVNC Date/Time: 7/12/2009 8:16:03 PM
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Dear Sir/madam, Kindly clarify what actions are allowed on a red arrow ( right turn ) for:
1. The inside lane, 2. for the outer lane. Can both lanes ( when there is more than one right turn lane) turn right on a red arrow after they come to a complete stop first? If so, then why do you have them if the red circular light means the same thing? I have been waiting for the green arrow and the drivers behind me are seething. Your DMV manual does not adequately detail what action(s) can be taken. Thank you. I appreciate the clarification!
Sent By: Contact Us Administrator Date/Time: 7/24/2009 4:48:14 PM
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Officially, you aren’t supposed to turn on a red arrow—a red circular light is okay after coming to a stop. Turns from the outer lane on a red arrow are generally ignored by law enforcement but you really should ask local law enforcement their ‘policy’—which varies greatly.
FROM: AVNC.. Well, it took NCDOT(DMV) 12 days to send me a reply, but I am thankful they did. It does beg the question, though, as to why NC cannot write a clear, concise and standardized STATE-WIDE LAW on this matter. I should not have to ask every local law enforcement agency their 'policy'. There should be only one policy and that is a state-wide policy. Come on DMV, please get your people back to the drawing board and rewrite your drivers manual and make it clear! Your current 'policy' simply does not work.
It is fine as long as there is not sign stating otherwise. However most people will still do it including me. Don't be that guy who sits at a regular right turn and waits for the light.
Ref NCDOT
No vehicle shall make a right turn at a “red circular light” if the movement is prohibited
by an appropriate sign (§20-158, b, 2a).
No vehicle shall make a right turn at a red arrow unless the movement is allowed by an
appropriate sign (MUTCD Sections 4D.04 and 4D.05).
Don't be that guy who sits at a regular right turn and waits for the light.
You also shouldn't be "that guy" who blows the horn at the person in front who chooses not to turn right on red. You can't force someone to turn right on red if they choose not to do so.
This may be old but I figured it's worth posting. You CANNOT turn right on a red arrow. The only time you are able to turn right is a red ball light with the appropriate signage. My source you might ask? The ticket i received today stating I ran a red light thats going to cost me $125. I talked to the officer about it and that's what he said, I thought he may have been wrong, talked to the DA about it, and they said the same thing, then I went to the family lawyer to see what she said and much like them red arrow mean's stop, no turning, regardless of traffic.
This thread is chock full of bad information that will sooner or later get someone a ticket; or worse an accident.
For a circular red light, you can make a right turn after coming to a stop as long as there is no sign saying otherwise.
For a red arrow light, you must stop and wait for green unless there is a sign saying otherwise.
4.2 No Right Turn on Red NCGS Authority: §20-158(b)(2a) NCAC Authority: N/A TEPPL Reference: N/A Ordinance Required: Yes Ordinance Type: 4 Overlap Restriction: None Typical Signs: R10-11, R10-11a Other Signs: R10-11b, R10-17a Guidance: No vehicle shall make a right turn at a "red circular light" if the movement is prohibited by an appropriate sign (§20-158, b, 2a). No vehicle shall make a right turn at a red arrow unless the movement is allowed by an appropriate sign (MUTCD Sections 4D.04 and 4D.05).
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Come on DMV, make it clear!
