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View Poll Results: which city and why? what does the other city need to do to get your vote?
Raleigh-Durham 243 42.63%
Charlotte 327 57.37%
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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Holy cow! I just read this article. And that is crazy the roughly half of the states growth came from just Wake and Mecklenburg counties. As you can see from my first post in this thread Charlotte and the Triangle are carrying NC forward. But I didn't think it was to this extent.
Check out these numbers from that link:



State's growth concentrated in a small group of counties - Winston-Salem Journal: State / Region

When it comes to numerical growth, Charlotte is adding 5,000 more residents per year than Raleigh/Durham. Raleigh/Durham still has a higher growth percentage than Charlotte. This is a trend that hasn't changed since the 2000 census.

 
Old 03-27-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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Check out these numbers from that link:



State's growth concentrated in a small group of counties - Winston-Salem Journal: State / Region

When it comes to numerical growth, Charlotte is adding 5,000 more residents per year than Raleigh/Durham. Raleigh/Durham still has a higher growth percentage than Charlotte. This is a trend that hasn't changed since the 2000 census.
Raleigh itself is adding more residents than the other metros combined. I'm wondering long term how this cold affect NC. Given that, it may be best that Charlotte and the Triangle make sure that they are not real competitors economically.
 
Old 03-27-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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Check out these numbers from that link:



State's growth concentrated in a small group of counties - Winston-Salem Journal: State / Region

When it comes to numerical growth, Charlotte is adding 5,000 more residents per year than Raleigh/Durham. Raleigh/Durham still has a higher growth percentage than Charlotte. This is a trend that hasn't changed since the 2000 census.
I'm curious if the Charlotte MSA numbers here are just for the majority part of the metro that is in NC or if that number reflects the total of the metro including the parts in SC?
 
Old 03-27-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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I'm curious if the Charlotte MSA numbers here are just for the majority part of the metro that is in NC or if that number reflects the total of the metro including the parts in SC?
Looking at the figures it looks like it is the whole MSA.
 
Old 03-27-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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Looking at the figures it looks like it is the whole MSA.
That's what I thought. So, what component of the metro growth for Charlotte is actually contributing to NC's population growth? I guess if I weren't so lazy right now, I could go retrieve that myself. Too bad Siri isn't smart enough yet to do that just by asking my phone.
 
Old 03-27-2014, 02:59 PM
 
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Well, actually, calculating that wasn't so difficult if I'm correct that York is the only county in SC that's part of the MSA. If so, then Charlotte's MSA contributed 35,613 while Raleigh's and Durham's MSAs contributed 35,159. To put that in perspective, that means that 71% (70,772) of NC's growth (99,696) came from just those MSAs. That's pretty astonishing.

When I get more time, I'll calculate it again using the NC counties from both CSAs (unless someone else wants to do it).
 
Old 03-27-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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Well, actually, calculating that wasn't so difficult if I'm correct that York is the only county in SC that's part of the MSA. If so, then Charlotte's MSA contributed 35,613 while Raleigh's and Durham's MSAs contributed 35,159. To put that in perspective, that means that 71% (70,772) of NC's growth (99,696) came from just those MSAs. That's pretty astonishing.

When I get more time, I'll calculate it again using the NC counties from both CSAs (unless someone else wants to do it).
With the new delineation Chester and Lancaster counties are also MSA.
 
Old 03-27-2014, 04:05 PM
 
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With the new delineation Chester and Lancaster counties are also MSA.
Oh....the wikipedia page map that I referenced is outdated!
Chester actually helps Charlotte's MSA number for NC because it actually lost 37 people. So, that's +37 for NC side. Conversely, Lancaster contributed 1,305 so that's a net negative for the NC side of the metro. In total, that means that Charlotte's MSA contribution to NC's 2013 population gain is 34,345. Combined with the Triangle's MSA numbers of 35,159, that means that the three MSAs contributed 69,504 of the 99,696 or just under 70%. Still pretty darn impressive!

Okay...here's an edit based on CSAs. I sure hope I didn't mess this up.
The NC micropolitan area adjustment for CSAs results in a net loss for Metrolina of 268 and a net gain for Raleigh-Durham of 3689.

This means that Metrolina (34,077) and the Triangle (38,848) contributed 72,925 of the 99,696 increase in population or over 73% of NC's growth.

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Old 03-27-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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Oh....the wikipedia page map that I referenced is outdated!
Chester actually helps Charlotte's MSA number for NC because it actually lost 37 people. So, that's +37 for NC side. Conversely, Lancaster contributed 1,305 so that's a net negative for the NC side of the metro. In total, that means that Charlotte's MSA contribution to NC's 2013 population gain is 34,345. Combined with the Triangle's MSA numbers of 35,159, that means that the three MSAs contributed 69,504 of the 99,696 or just under 70%. Still pretty darn impressive!
I would say so myself. A little less than 70% between just the two MSAs is incredible. I know I may have ruffled some feathers earlier in this thread when I did not include the Triad. It wasn't hate on the area but it's just since 1990 the Triangle and Metrolina have been stalwarts economically for the Carolina's. Although I would still say the Triad is the heart and soul of NC and is a microcosm of the state. I'm interested in seeing how 202 will play out. Will Raleigh MSA become more populated than the Triad?

For Metrolina the counties to watch are Cabarrus, York, Union, and Gaston; mainly the first three. By 2035 one of those areas if not all 3 could be 300k or close to it.
 
Old 03-27-2014, 04:58 PM
 
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I would say so myself. A little less than 70% between just the two MSAs is incredible. I know I may have ruffled some feathers earlier in this thread when I did not include the Triad. It wasn't hate on the area but it's just since 1990 the Triangle and Metrolina have been stalwarts economically for the Carolina's. Although I would still say the Triad is the heart and soul of NC and is a microcosm of the state. I'm interested in seeing how 202 will play out. Will Raleigh MSA become more populated than the Triad?

For Metrolina the counties to watch are Cabarrus, York, Union, and Gaston; mainly the first three. By 2035 one of those areas if not all 3 could be 300k or close to it.
It's actually three MSAs, not two. Two Triangle MSAs and Charlotte. The total contribution number is based on the two CSAs.
As for Raleigh's current MSA, it will probably pass the combined total of the the two Triad MSAs but probably not the Triad's CSA anytime soon. But, it will probably be a moot point because these MSAs will change in the next ten years anyway and I still think that the Triangle will be reunited under one MSA.
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