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Are you suggesting that Raleigh's city limits were extremely larger than Charlotte's in the 1800s?.....
Still hung up on populations from a century and a half ago? It's not worth the time to have a discussion with you as you are only interested in irrelevant pissing contests.
You have not addressed one point I made in my response to you so until you do that so if you want some consideration then you are going to have to give a bit.
Oh and BTW, nobody outside this city cares about the Greek Festival and BBQ spectacle. Every city in the Carolinas has festivals so this isn't anything unique. Next month the NC State fair will take place in Raleigh which will attract far far more people than both of these events combined, and it has direct train service right to the event.
Oh and BTW, nobody outside this city cares about the Greek Festival and BBQ spectacle. Every city in the Carolinas has festivals so this isn't anything unique. Next month the NC State fair will take place in Raleigh which will attract far far more people than both of these events combined, and it has direct train service right to the event.
I think urbancharlotte's point was that those two events made for some real vibrancy occurring throughout uptown and surrounding areas yesterday and throughout the night. Combined with the regular weekend and nightlife crowds, it does give Charlotte more of a bigger city, urban vibe. This particular point wasn't a point of comparison between Charlotte and Raleigh; it was just an observation. I think it's a bit disingenuous to compare those events with a state fair, particularly since there's nothing urban or "big city" about that. Raleigh does have its own downtown events which do the same for its city, but the state fair ain't it.
I think urbancharlotte's point was that those two events made for some real vibrancy occurring throughout uptown and surrounding areas yesterday and throughout the night. Combined with the regular weekend and nightlife crowds, it does give Charlotte more of a bigger city, urban vibe. This particular point wasn't a point of comparison between Charlotte and Raleigh; it was just an observation. I think it's a bit disingenuous to compare those events with a state fair, particularly since there's nothing urban or "big city" about that. Raleigh does have its own downtown events which do the same for its city, but the state fair ain't it.
Raleigh's best downtown event (that I have attended) is the "acorn drop" at New Years.
That is an event that is worth seeing at least once. It used to take place in the Fayetteville Street Mall area. I am not sure where it is now since Fayetteville Street has been opened to vehicle traffic. New Years in Raleigh always seem to draw a big crowd. The "Thanksgiving" parade in Raleigh is another urban event that draws big crowds. My only problem with the parade is that it does not take place on Thanksgiving day (that is why I placed Thanksgiving in quotes).
When the CIAA tournament moved to Charlotte, it has been said that Charlotte gave the tournament a "big city" identity that it did not have in Raleigh. When the tournament moves to Atlanta, I am sure Atlanta will raise the tournament's "big city" profile by a large margin.
Still, the CIAA is something Charlotte and Raleigh (and Winston-Salem) shared, and Charlotte's version of the same event is BY FAR the most "urban/big city"ish. That was the point I was trying to make. When Charlotte does a festival, the people attending the festival will get a unique "big city" like festival by NC standards. Charlotte is by no means the only city that has festivals in the state. That was not my point at all and I am glad you got it.
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Raleigh's best downtown event (that I have attended) is the "acorn drop" at New Years.
That is an event that is worth seeing at least once. It used to take place in the Fayetteville Street Mall area. I am not sure where it is now since Fayetteville Street has been opened to vehicle traffic. New Years in Raleigh always seem to draw a big crowd. The "Thanksgiving" parade in Raleigh is another urban event that draws big crowds. My only problem with the parade is that it does not take place on Thanksgiving day (that is why I placed Thanksgiving in quotes).
When the CIAA tournament moved to Charlotte, it has been said that Charlotte gave the tournament a "big city" identity that it did not have in Raleigh. When the tournament moves to Atlanta, I am sure Atlanta will raise the tournament's "big city" profile by a large margin.
Still, the CIAA is something Charlotte and Raleigh (and Winston-Salem) shared, and Charlotte's version of the same event is BY FAR the most "urban/big city"ish. That was the point I was trying to make. When Charlotte does a festival, the people attending the festival will get a unique "big city" like festival by NC standards. Charlotte is by no means the only city that has festivals in the state. That was not my point at all and I am glad you got it.
The CIAA Tournament was growing every year anyway. Every year it was in Raleigh, it trumped the year prior. I feel that Raleigh leaders could have done more to open up the city for the attendees, but instead sat on their hands and beefed up police presence (VERY INSULTING). I'm glad it's in Charlotte now, it will probably head to Atlanta afterwards. If it was the ACC tournament, there wouldn't have been any issues. The down side to Raleigh is the fact most of our city our leaders are nothing more than a bunch of detached, elitist, money grubbing snobs!
When the CIAA tournament moved to Charlotte, it has been said that Charlotte gave the tournament a "big city" identity that it did not have in Raleigh. .
My guess it was the million dollars the city of Charlotte paid the CIAA on the condition they move. A very bad use of tax dollars in a city struggling with M6 unemployment headed towards 17%.
ok folk here is an outside perspective on this debate. i live in atlanta and i can say i have been through and through nc many times. i know both charlotte and raleigh very well. i can tell you here in the largest city (metro) in the southeast it is almost like charlotte is our little brother to the north, you have folks from atlanta going to charlotte all the time on a sat. night just to go club hoping up there, same goes for people in charlotte comming down here. now in the local atlanta media i will here the mention of charlottte several times a week, sorry raleigh not really any mention of your fair town down here in the atl. also charlotte has more of a big city feel to it, raleigh feels like a big suburb where everything looks the same. now charlotte is not a world class city like atlanta is, but it will be in time.
most folks who arent into how many fortune 500s are house in your city judge a city by the way it looks to the eyes and in the skyline dept. for that charlotte wins hands down. i mean little ole birmingham alabamas skyline trumps raleighs, maybe raliegh folks you should compare your fine town w/ birmingham al. the ham and raleigh are way more compariable than ral. to clt.
My guess it was the million dollars the city of Charlotte paid the CIAA on the condition they move. A very bad use of tax dollars in a city struggling with M6 unemployment headed towards 17%.
No, that's not true at all. The two cities had almost identical bids. The decision to come to Charlotte was based primarily on the collective notion among the board members that Charlotte was a more "exciting" location. Here's one article about the move...
"...Both bids had annual cash values of more than $1 million, Kerry said, and both guaranteed at least $1 million in scholarship money annually..."
Article: CIAA tourney moves to Charlotte - Raleigh - News & Observer (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/raleigh/story/174409.html - broken link)
and to the post a few pages back about local politics and the type of people that live in an area like lets say the counties around charlotte, yall call these folks backwards and redneckish well guess what thats america and thats part of what makes america great there is more to life than inside the city. listen take the states w/ repulican leadership and compare them w/ states that have democrat leadership, all in all you will see which states are in better shape on average. (i wonder how michigan has been doing over the last ten years, and california too, buy the way yes i know arnold is a quote repulican but he is a liberal or progressive or what ever you call the liberalism, socialism progressive movement and the cali house is dem controlled too).
the real elitism i see is how some folks look down on others who just want to raise a family and dont want a big socialistic government controlling every aspect of their lives, thats not backwards to me, to me thats as american as apple pie.
^Your post is not that readable, but maybe you didn't realize the NC Legislature is dominated by Democrats, the governor is a Democrat, and one of the state senators is a Democrat.
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