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The MSA rank by population as of July 1, 2014, as estimated by the United States Census Bureau
Number 35 Austin Texas MAS 1,943,299
number 46 Raleigh MSA 1,242,974
Austin MSA and CSA are the same. Raleigh CSA 2.075,000.
I obviously haven't read all 600+ pages of this pissing match... but why the need for all the arguing over which city is better? Both are growing areas with subtle differences. Charlotte is a little bigger and is more of a regional hub for business and travel while the Raleigh area has more research and academics going on due to its proximity to major universities.
Both are reasonably progressive cities compared to many of their peers (or in some cases, former peers being left behind) in the Sun Belt.
Austin CSA and MSA are the same. Raleigh CSA 2.075,000.
Wrong
You are not comparing Raleigh's MSA to Austin You are comparing the Triangle CSA.
Austin MSA is bigger than Raleigh MSA
Austin is not as big as the Triangle CSA
You are stating the facts wrong.
The triangle is bigger in size than Austin MSA Austin is not in a CSA.
You can not compare one cities CSA and compare in to another cities MSA. You can not mix apples and oranges.
Also, not all MSA's are a part of a CSA, so it's not really a fair comparison in many cases. For example, the Albany, NY CSA combines both the Albany MSA and the Glens Falls MSA into one CSA with a total population of just over 1 million. However, the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL MSA is not part of any CSA, yet it has a population of nearly 7 million.
So, the CSA isn't really good to use for comparing with other MSA's that are not part of a CSA.
If you are going to post, make sure you are putting out the correct fact not garbage.
You are not comparing Raleigh's MSA to Austin You are comparing the Triangle CSA.
Austin MSA is bigger than Raleigh MSA
Austin is not as big as the Triangle CSA
You are stating the facts wrong.
The triangle is bigger in size than Austin MSA Austin is not in a CSA.
You can not compare one cities CSA and compare in to another cities MSA. You can not mix apples and oranges.
Also, not all MSA's are a part of a CSA, so it's not really a fair comparison in many cases. For example, the Albany, NY CSA combines both the Albany MSA and the Glens Falls MSA into one CSA with a total population of just over 1 million. However, the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL MSA is not part of any CSA, yet it has a population of nearly 7 million.
So, the CSA isn't really good to use for comparing with other MSA's that are not part of a CSA.
If you are going to post, make sure you are putting out the correct fact not garbage.
You want a fair apples to apples. Ok, then. Include Durham/Chapel Hill into Raleigh's MSA like Fort Worth is included in Dallas's MSA. Raleigh and Durham touch, Dallas and Forth Worth don't touch. Raleigh goes into Durham County, Durham city goes into Wake County. Dallas does not go into Tarrant County and Ft, Worth does not go into Dallas County. Dallas and Ft Worth share an airport as does Raleigh and Durham, Raleigh and Durham are closer together by more than 10 miles than Dallas and Ft. Worth.
Apples to apples. Oranges to oranges.
9 counties of the Triangle to 10 counties of Metrolina, that's a fair comparison:
Raleigh CSA 2,075,000 (9 counties)
Charlotte CSA 2.442,000 (10 counties)
Comparing just 3 counties that make up Raleigh MSA to 7 counties of Charlotte MSA, not a fair comparison, it's putting the thumb on the scale. Got it??
When comes to fudging numbers through annexation to seem "big", Charlotte's the expert, here are some more examples:
Charlotte city: 792,000
Orlando city: 238,000
Charlotte CSA 2,442,000
Orlando CSA 2,975,000
Charlotte city: 792,000
Atlanta city: 447,841
Charlotte CSA: 2,442,000
Atlanta CSA: 6,162,195
Charlotte city: 792,000
Miami city: 417,650
Charlotte CSA: 2,442,000
Miami CSA: 6,447,610
Charlotte's playing a smiler annexation game as Jacksonville to seem "big"
Charlotte city: 792,000
Jacksonville city: 842,583,
Charlotte CSA: 2,442,000
Jacksonville CSA: 1,518,67&
Jacksonville and Charlotte are a more fitting comparison than any other 2 larger southern cities. Jacksonville has a pro football team too, proving also you don't have to be a big metro to have a pro football team. You just have to have noting else much going on to compete with it
Last edited by Raleigh540; 04-21-2015 at 02:58 PM..
You want a fair apples to apples. Ok, then. Include Durham/Chapel Hill into Raleigh's MSA like Fort Worth is included in Dallas's MSA. Raleigh and Durham touch, Dallas and Forth Worth don't touch. Raleigh goes into Durham County, Durham city goes into Wake County. Dallas does not go into Tarrant County and Ft, Worth does not go into Dallas County. Dallas and Ft Worth share an airport as does Raleigh and Durham, Raleigh and Durham are closer together by more than 10 miles than Dallas and Ft. Worth.
Apples to apples. Oranges to oranges.
9 counties of the Triangle to 10 counties of Metrolina, that's a fair comparison:
Raleigh CSA 2,075,000 (9 counties)
Charlotte CSA 2.442,000 (10 counties)
Comparing just 3 counties that make up Raleigh MSA to 7 counties of Charlotte MSA, not a fair comparison, it's putting the thumb on the scale. Got it??
When comes to fudging numbers through annexation to seem "big", Charlotte's the expert, here are some more examples:
Charlotte city: 792,000
Orlando city: 238,000
Charlotte CSA 2,442,000
Orlando CSA 2,975,000
Charlotte city: 792,000
Atlanta city: 447,841
Charlotte CSA: 2,442,000
Atlanta CSA: 6,162,195
Charlotte city: 792,000
Miami city: 417,650
Charlotte CSA: 2,442,000
Miami CSA: 6,447,610
Charlotte's playing a smiler annexation game as Jacksonville to seem "big"
Charlotte city: 792,000
Jacksonville city: 842,583,
Charlotte CSA: 2,442,000
Jacksonville CSA: 1,518,67&
Jacksonville and Charlotte are a more fitting comparison than any other 2 larger southern cities. Jacksonville has a pro football team too, proving you don't have to be big metro to have pro football if your metro has nothing else going on
That's tongue in cheek..lol. I did like this comment from the article:
I understand (hope) that some of this is tongue-in-cheek because most of it is not supported by facts. Light rail for example is one of the most successful new systems in the country - exceeding its year 2020 ridership estimates in the first 18 months of service.
Some it is conjecture -- empty streets? There are empty streets in every city, including Manhattan and San Francisco. The population of the 1 (one) square mile "uptown" (so-called for over 100 years because of it's elevation, not some marketing scheme) is over 18,000.
Of course, you could much worse in Raleigh which is the only city that aspires to be a suburb or Atlanta, GA which has no life in its "downtown"
According to this and other information I have found online, the population of Uptown Charlotte (1.7 square miles) is 6,462. There ARE NOT 18,000 people living in Uptown. //www.city-data.com/neighborhoo...rlotte-NC.html
Even this one, which is an advertisement for Uptown Charlotte, estimates the combination of Uptown and Southend to have a population of under 15,000. http://www.charlottecentercity.org/business/data/
According to this and other information I have found online, the population of Uptown Charlotte (1.7 square miles) is 6,462. There ARE NOT 18,000 people living in Uptown. //www.city-data.com/neighborhoo...rlotte-NC.html
Even this one, which is an advertisement for Uptown Charlotte, estimates the combination of Uptown and Southend to have a population of under 15,000. Data | Charlotte Center City & Uptown Charlotte
Charlotte City Partner are predicting that the end of 2015 there should be over 15,300 in Center city
when all the project now under construction are completed,
There are 4 apartments under construction in uptown and 4 or 5 in Southend so I think that what they are looking at.
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