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Old 03-07-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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-Democrats won more votes for Congress statewide that same year, but carried less seats due to gerrymandering.
-Democrats pulled even in the state House but lost a catastrophic number of seats due to gerrymandering.
-Democrats have routinely managed to snag statewide offices like the governor's seat and senate seats, even when this state was a much more conservative place in the 80s and 90s.
-Just several months ago, Hagan was up 10 points in the polls against all challengers. She may be even with them now, but another year of shenanigans from the state government and she could well find herself with a clear lead again.

Every Republican in a statewide office is in trouble. They are likely to feel the burn from voters who are upset that they cannot be represented by their legislature.

Well I won't take those rose tinted glasses away from you. Calling Hagan even now is a stretch. BTW her vote confirming Debo Adegbile was foolish since the vote was going to fail anyway. Give her credit for voting Obama's....I mean her conscience.

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Old 03-10-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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Well I won't take those rose tinted glasses away from you. Calling Hagan even now is a stretch. BTW her vote confirming Debo Adegbile was foolish since the vote was going to fail anyway. Give her credit for voting Obama's....I mean her conscience.

I heard a plausible theory on Hagan's vote. She knows she'll likely lose and she is looking for a strong recommendation from the NAACP for a job in the final 2 years in the Obama administration
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Old 03-10-2014, 07:18 AM
 
Location: The 12th State
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Does anyone know the last day(actual date) to register before primaries. I plan to switch to Unaffiliated and vote for lesser evil.

Btw, Tillis is banking on a run off as why there is so many candidates.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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Does anyone know the last day(actual date) to register before primaries. I plan to switch to Unaffiliated and vote for lesser evil.

Btw, Tillis is banking on a run off as why there is so many candidates.


I heard the exact opposite about Tillis. First it will cost him money he'd rather throw at Hagan, but more importantly the non-establishment candidates will tend to grow in viability over time.

The debate is going to be a bloodbath for Tillis. Assuming all candidates are invited, he’s going to have a team on 7 or 8 ganging up on him. If he gets to face Hagan he’ll face far less pressure.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: The 12th State
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I heard the exact opposite about Tillis. First it will cost him money he'd rather throw at Hagan, but more importantly the non-establishment candidates will tend to grow in viability over time.

The debate is going to be a bloodbath for Tillis. Assuming all candidates are invited, he’s going to have a team on 7 or 8 ganging up on him. If he gets to face Hagan he’ll face far less pressure.
There only 2 months if the other candidates dont have much time at all. Tillis has name recognition which will help, Mark Harris and Greg Brannon is only other serious contenders. The other candidates will split Harris and Brannon votes causing one of them to have very close to amount of votes as Tillis resulting in a run off. This why I want to switchto unaffiliated so I can vote for Brannon as Harris would be scary what would happen.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: The 12th State
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I heard the exact opposite about Tillis. First it will cost him money he'd rather throw at Hagan, but more importantly the non-establishment candidates will tend to grow in viability over time.

The debate is going to be a bloodbath for Tillis. Assuming all candidates are invited, he’s going to have a team on 7 or 8 ganging up on him. If he gets to face Hagan he’ll face far less pressure.
There only 2 months the other candidates dont have much time at all. Tillis has name recognition which will help, Mark Harris and Greg Brannon is only other serious contenders. The other candidates will split Harris and Brannon votes causing one of them to have very close to amount of votes as Tillis resulting in a run off. This why I want to switchto unaffiliated so I can vote for Brannon as Harris would be scary what would happen.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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Truthfully I know little about Harris, but I've followed Brannon closely. There might not be someone in the world who is better read than him when it comes to both the US and NC Constitution. Even if you prefer a more liberal interpretation of these docs, it is impressive to listen to him back his arguments with the writings of the authors of these docs.
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Old 03-10-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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Explain this too me.

McCrory beat Dalton--easily

Romney beat Obama--close



and it looks like Hagen would lose to anyone who gets through the GOP primary.
McCrory has been campaigning since like 2006/7. Bev Perdue pooped the pot then decided to not run in January 2012, giving Dalton an even bigger losing hand.

All you have to look at is the results from the 2012 House of Representatives elections. 50% voted democratic, 49% voted republican. Basically even.

Yet the Republicans picked up three seats, making it a 9-4 split. It was a 655 votes from being 10-3 split.

To accurately represent NC, it should've stayed 7/6, either side.

I don't understand why I keep having to repeat these facts and why it is hard to understand.
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Old 03-10-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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McCrory has been campaigning since like 2006/7. Bev Perdue pooped the pot then decided to not run in January 2012, giving Dalton an even bigger losing hand.

All you have to look at is the results from the 2012 House of Representatives elections. 50% voted democratic, 49% voted republican. Basically even.

Yet the Republicans picked up three seats, making it a 9-4 split. It was a 655 votes from being 10-3 split.

To accurately represent NC, it should've stayed 7/6, either side.

I don't understand why I keep having to repeat these facts and why it is hard to understand.
It stinks doesn’t it Bojangles. Where could the Republicans learned these Gerrymandering tricks? Let’s look at the election after the 2000 census.
2002
GA HOUSE
1,109,755 Republican votes
1,022,552 Democrat votes
Results. Democrats win state house 28-22.

US House
1,209,033 Republican votes
970, 716 Democrat votes
Republicans have 7 seats to the democrat’s 6, however somehow they were able to actually take a seat away from the republicans with less votes.
Senate
Dole defeats Bowles by around 200k votes.



BTW. I agree this needs to change now. It should be fixed now before we know that the 2020 looks like.
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:14 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Explain this too me.

McCrory beat Dalton--easily

Romney beat Obama--close



and it looks like Hagen would lose to anyone who gets through the GOP primary.
That's easy to explain. NC has a long history of splitting its vote between who runs the state and who runs the country. NC is the ultimate purple state and its votes would appear random to many who don't understand.

Right now the Republicans who represent NC in Raleigh and Washington weren't all put there by the will of the people of NC. The 9-4 US House representation by the Republicans without winning the majority of the votes in NC is probably the most egregious.
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