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Those legal right could have been handled via other means such as powers of attorney, wills, Five Wishes, guardianship, etc. I've never made the argument that is in the second half of your statement.
Or they could just have a legal marriage and gain all the same rights as the legal marriage of a heterosexual couple and simplify the process across the board.
See, being married in the eyes of a church means nothing to the state unless you legally fulfill the requirements and sign the legal paperwork required by state law to be legally married and gain the legal rights of a legally married couple.
Separation of Church and State works both ways. The state doesn't recognize a church sanctioned marriage, and the church is under no obligation to recognize a state sanctioned marriage.
Or they could just have a legal marriage and gain all the same rights as the legal marriage of a heterosexual couple and simplify the process across the board.
See, being married in the eyes of a church means nothing to the state unless you legally fulfill the requirements and sign the legal paperwork required by state law to be legally married and gain the legal rights of a legally married couple.
Separation of Church and State works both ways. The state doesn't recognize a church sanctioned marriage, and the church is under no obligation to recognize a state sanctioned marriage.
Quit being so rational.
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You're right, Massachussets isn't Utah, but neither is North Carolina, last time I checked.
It still doesn't change that the legal right to marry is a legality. You are not being forced to marry anyone of the same sex, your church is not being forced to acknowledge or bless any union between a same sex couple. You are not being forced to do anything, other than to accept that the legal union between two consenting and able minded adults is none of your business unless you are one of the two adults in that union.
You don't think churches are going to be forced to perform gay marriage ceremonies under threat of a lawsuit? I'm being forced to accept a lifestyle I disagree with. I'm being forced to cede control of my view of history to Progressive groupthink. I am forced to walk on eggshells around a "more equal than others" protected class of people and their supporters.
Or they could just have a legal marriage and gain all the same rights as the legal marriage of a heterosexual couple and simplify the process across the board.
I gained no additional rights when I was married. Benefits are not rights and can be removed at any time through the legislature.
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If so, then lead the charge, netbrad! Down with marriage for all!
You don't think churches are going to be forced to perform gay marriage ceremonies under threat of a lawsuit? I'm being forced to accept a lifestyle I disagree with. I'm being forced to cede control of my view of history to Progressive groupthink. I am forced to walk on eggshells around a "more equal than others" protected class of people and their supporters.
The sad thing is that you actually believe what you just typed, brad.
None of it is true.
Churches are not going to be forced to marry anyone unless they suddenly become regular businesses instead of tax-exempt religious institutions.
You are not forced to "accept a lifestyle (you) disagree with" because nobody is making you marry a man, unless there's something you're not telling us here. Homosexuals have been living as couples, sharing homes, paying taxes, raising kids for a very long time. You were always "accepting" them. You just didn't realize it because you could pretend you were not. But... you were. If not, why were you not out getting rid of them all? Because it's illegal or because it's wrong?
Progressive "groupthink" please. Just read, you know, the ACTUAL history. Not the Biblical version. The scholarly version.
I don't even feel like dignifying that whole "eggshells" thing with a response. It's hard out there for a straight, white dude, ain't it, brother?
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I gained no additional rights when I was married. Benefits are not rights and can be removed at any time through the legislature.
That is the way we're headed. Enjoy the decline.
Soo... you are saying you were not allowed to file joint taxes, to put your spouse on your health insurance without having to pay extra penalties, to be assured that you were her next of kin in any emergency or hell, just in your day to day life?
Because... last I checked, all us straight folk DO get those rights when we marry, whether we choose to exercise them or not.
I'm not seeing this decline. Me, I'm cool with gay couples and straight couples getting married. You're the one who thinks that gay people can just go get some legal papers drawn up at their own expense that'll be just as good as marriage, so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you'd want to be fair and just have us all do that.
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Just read, you know, the ACTUAL history. Not the Biblical version. The scholarly version.
Do you mean that history where same sex naughty shenanigans has been recorded as happening since humanity started recording history? Tell me it ain't so!
Do you mean that history where same sex naughty shenanigans has been recorded as happening since humanity started recording history? Tell me it ain't so!
Shocking, isn't it?
That Sappho. I blame her, with all that poetry and whatnot.
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The sad thing is that you actually believe what you just typed, brad.
None of it is true.
Churches are not going to be forced to marry anyone unless they suddenly become regular businesses instead of tax-exempt religious institutions.
Keep telling yourself that.
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You are not forced to "accept a lifestyle (you) disagree with" because nobody is making you marry a man, unless there's something you're not telling us here. Homosexuals have been living as couples, sharing homes, paying taxes, raising kids for a very long time. You were always "accepting" them. You just didn't realize it because you could pretend you were not. But... you were. If not, why were you not out getting rid of them all? Because it's illegal or because it's wrong?
Just because I disagree with gay marriage and the gay lifestyle doesn't mean I want LGBT folks rounded up and sent off to camps.
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Progressive "groupthink" please. Just read, you know, the ACTUAL history. Not the Biblical version. The scholarly version.
I have read the history of the LBGT and gay marriage movement and their Progressive origins as well as their stated goals. It was about power and control as I've stated before.
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I don't even feel like dignifying that whole "eggshells" thing with a response. It's hard out there for a straight, white dude, ain't it, brother?
Let's see, you can't make jokes about gays or else you get sent to a re-education camp (i.e. counseling), you can't express disagreement with gay marriage without losing your job or business and you can't disagree with the gay lifestyle without being called a homophobe. I think that about covers it.
Soo... you are saying you were not allowed to file joint taxes, to put your spouse on your health insurance without having to pay extra penalties, to be assured that you were her next of kin in any emergency or hell, just in your day to day life?
Those are benefits, not rights.
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