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Just lower taxes for all businesses and make incentives a moot point. Canada has lower corporate taxes than the US, crazy. The US needs to lower if not eliminate corporate taxes.
You must have misunderstood my post. I didn't say "expanding within NC
Expanding into a state, what you said, is ambiguous. A company that already has an office in the state can also expand operations into said state. IBM for example had a sales office in Charlotte since the 1960s. In the late 70s they expanded their research, development and manufacturing divisions into Charlotte as well.
Thus, your point isn't proven as I spent about 2 minutes looking that up as I did misunderstand it. But your point is irrelevant anyway. I've said that I support one time grants & incentives. This doesn't apply to what the film industry is demanding.
Just lower taxes for all businesses and make incentives a moot point. Canada has lower corporate taxes than the US, crazy. The US needs to lower if not eliminate corporate taxes.
The lowering of corporate taxes is something that is shunned by those pushing for film industry incentives. Though it accomplishes the same thing, it's also a GOP party platform and thus, they can't possibly bring themselves to accept it.
i.e. The topic of film incentives is really a partisan discussion because one party supports it and the other doesn't and there are those, blinded by the dogma who will say anything in it's defense. Hence the nonsensical arguments, insults, and absolutely no proper due diligence.
i.e. The topic of film incentives is really a partisan discussion because one party supports it and the other doesn't and there are those, blinded by the dogma who will say anything in it's defense.
Outside of Raleigh, this is most definitely not a politically partisan issue. I spend my days with carpenters, welders, pipe fitters, ironworkers, painters, electricians, truck drivers. They're all in favor of film incentives. Do you really think there's a significant number of liberals amongst them? Heck, most of them probably have never voted for anybody not named Bush.
I don't know about dogma, all I know is that I saw about 200 people working on construction in Wilmington today using materials they bought from local suppliers, getting paid about 50% above normal construction rates, who won't be working and buying here this time next year.
Expanding into a state, what you said, is ambiguous. A company that already has an office in the state can also expand operations into said state. IBM for example had a sales office in Charlotte since the 1960s. In the late 70s they expanded their research, development and manufacturing divisions into Charlotte as well.
Thus, your point isn't proven as I spent about 2 minutes looking that up as I did misunderstand it. But your point is irrelevant anyway. I've said that I support one time grants & incentives. This doesn't apply to what the film industry is demanding.
Did you miss that part?
I thought I could just do what you do, and ignore whatever I feel like ignoring. What, you're the only one here who can do that?
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You must have misunderstood my post. I didn't say "expanding within NC, I said expanding into NC, meaning relocating from another state or opening a new facility in NC where previously they had none. ie, show me where new business is being lured to the state without an incentive carrot.
The three businesses you mention from the link you provided all are already located in NC. The only ones on your list that moved here from another state all - GASP! - were given incentives.
I appreciate you providing a link to help me prove my point, though.
Actually I know of 2 situations.
NTE is going to build a power plant on land that it requested that City of Kings Mountain annex. It wants to build there because of the location (just off exit 5 of I 85 & there's a natural gas pipeline there. This is combined with several cities who are power providers within a distance to sell to. They will not be selling to Duke. You can't run a state on happenstance.
The Catawba Indians want to build a casino at the same exit. An independent source has estimated that it will create 4000 badly needed jobs. Don't worry, most of the Republicans in Raleigh sent a letter to the Department of the Interior telling them to turn down the request. The Shelby Star newspaper printed their names & also a list of recipients from the Cherokee Nation of money to block other tribes from setting up shop in the state. McCrory got the money too. He's repeatedly said that he won't approve it.
Funny thing is that if it's approved by the feds & Raleigh doesn't do a deal with them, the Catawbas won't owe them one penny. The Catawbas are offering a higher take for the state than the Cherokee give them.
Outside of Raleigh, this is most definitely not a politically partisan issue. I spend my days with carpenters, welders, pipe fitters, ironworkers, painters, electricians, truck drivers. They're all in favor of film incentives. Do you really think there's a significant number of liberals amongst them? Heck, most of them probably have never voted for anybody not named Bush. ....
It's a nice anecdote, but this only proves they are happy for the work. It's what happens when government decides it's better at picking winners & losers rather than let Adam Smith handle it. And because of the meddling by government politicians and hacks, they are now left working projects that are underwritten by taxpayers. I doubt they care at all that it's film.
The point always missed in these sorts of anecdotal stories, which are no substitute for proper due diligence, is the opportunity cost of these rebates. i.e. What opportunities would there have been for these guys if government had not taken $$ millions out of the economy so that it could be given to the film industry.
It's a nice anecdote, but this only proves they are happy for the work. It's what happens when government decides it's better at picking winners & losers rather than let Adam Smith handle it. And because of the meddling by government politicians and hacks, they are now left working projects that are underwritten by taxpayers. I doubt they care at all that it's film.
The point always missed in these sorts of anecdotal stories, which are no substitute for proper due diligence, is the opportunity cost of these rebates. i.e. What opportunities would there have been for these guys if government had not taken $$ millions out of the economy so that it could be given to the film industry.
Ah, yes, things that I have personally witnessed and experienced for years are "anecdotal", but little articles put out by people like the Koch brothers that you hurriedly google up are "proper due diligence". Too funny. You crack me up.
....but little articles put out by people like the Koch brothers that you hurriedly google up are "proper due diligence". Too funny. You crack me up.
This is "lets attack the messenger" rather than the message type defense. If what was said was incorrect then it should be pretty simple to make a logical argument against it. But like always, there is none.
It's a nice anecdote, but this only proves they are happy for the work. It's what happens when government decides it's better at picking winners & losers rather than let Adam Smith handle it. And because of the meddling by government politicians and hacks, they are now left working projects that are underwritten by taxpayers. I doubt they care at all that it's film.
The point always missed in these sorts of anecdotal stories, which are no substitute for proper due diligence, is the opportunity cost of these rebates. i.e. What opportunities would there have been for these guys if government had not taken $$ millions out of the economy so that it could be given to the film industry.
Uhh, excuse me, but paying hundreds of workers a decent salary is putting money into the economy, which is the very point that BarLatGo has been trying to explain to you.
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