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Old 06-07-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Southport
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Originally Posted by OMT21 View Post
I guess dismantling to you is:

-Lowering NC's employment rate from 45th lowest in the nation to 29th lowest
-Producing a $400 million budget surplus
-Paying off $2.75 billion in federal unemployment debt, saving taxpayers $280 million
-Giving teachers a substantial raise. Democrat politicians talked about it. The repubs did it.
-Finishing I-485 after being delayed year after year by democrat administrations
-Retaining AAA credit rating. NC one of only 10 states to have highest rating possible by all three credt rating agencies.

These are facts that can be verifed by many mainstream media sources and gov't data.

What planet are you living on? The local democrat media has really done a job on you. Your party lost BIG the last two elections in this state because they couldn't get the job done. Grow up and quit complaining!
Dems made NC what it is, and most of the few positive things happening now are the result of policies they put in place, such as a great university system, Research Triangle Park, the best state maintained highway system in the country, etc., etc., etc.

Heres what the R's have done:

Voter ID
Redistribution of tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class
Cut unemployment benefits
Eliminate teacher tenure
Attempt to pass a silly law prohibiting same gender marriage
Refuse to pass new incentive legislation that will cripple our ability to recruit new employers
etc., etc., etc.

Funny how so much of their legislative agenda keeps getting overturned by the courts.
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Old 06-07-2015, 05:06 PM
 
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Dems made NC what it is, and most of the few positive things happening now are the result of policies they put in place, such as a great university system, Research Triangle Park, the best state maintained highway system in the country, etc., etc., etc.

Heres what the R's have done:

Voter ID
Redistribution of tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class
Cut unemployment benefits
Eliminate teacher tenure
Attempt to pass a silly law prohibiting same gender marriage
Refuse to pass new incentive legislation that will cripple our ability to recruit new employers
etc., etc., etc.

Funny how so much of their legislative agenda keeps getting overturned by the courts.
"Best maintained highway system in the country"?!?! LMAO

That post alone shows you don't have a clue!

If those polices NC democrats put in place were so great, why did NC have the 45th best umemployment rate in the country when McCrory took office? It's never about results with you guys, only good intentions!!

Thanks goodness you have the activist courts on your side. Your agenda wouldn't stand a chance without them!
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Old 06-07-2015, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Southport
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If those polices NC democrats put in place were so great, why did NC have the 45th best umemployment rate in the country when McCrory took office? It's never about results with you guys, only good intentions!!
Umm, I believe it was called the worst recession since the great depression.
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Old 06-08-2015, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Southport
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"Best maintained highway system in the country"?!?! LMAO
I said "best maintained STATE highway system. Thanks to democratic policies beginning in the 1920's NC has the largest state maintained highway system in the country. It helped NC develop faster and better than its neighbors and gave us the moniker, "The Good Roads State".

Your response proves you are the one without a clue.

Oh, forgot to add to the previous list of "accomplishments" the virtual elimination of film incentives and historic preservation tax credits, both of which will result in a loss of jobs. And changes to business license fees that will force cities and counties to raise property taxes, which makes the state income tax "savings" disappear. And meddling in local governments election policies for city councils and county commissioners...an unconscionable abuse of legislative authority.
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Old 06-08-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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I guess dismantling to you is:

-Lowering NC's employment rate from 45th lowest in the nation to 29th lowest
-Producing a $400 million budget surplus
-Paying off $2.75 billion in federal unemployment debt, saving taxpayers $280 million
-Giving teachers a substantial raise. Democrat politicians talked about it. The repubs did it.
-Finishing I-485 after being delayed year after year by democrat administrations
-Retaining AAA credit rating. NC one of only 10 states to have highest rating possible by all three credt rating agencies.

These are facts that can be verifed by many mainstream media sources and gov't data.

What planet are you living on? The local democrat media has really done a job on you. Your party lost BIG the last two elections in this state because they couldn't get the job done. Now some new leaders are in charge. Grow up and quit complaining!
I do agree but some of those initiatives were already being pushed by Dems. Bev Purdue and team actually used a creative method to fund the finish of I-485 in Charlotte so she got that right. The Dems could not push any sort of teacher pay through due to a gauntlet of Repub opposition. Getting Dems to sign onboard for any type of teacher pay regardless of how nonsensical and unorthodox didn't require a huge push.

I also agree that the GOP should get credit for the $400 million surplus but it comes at the expense of increased state taxes for lower and middle class citizens. Someone had to pay for it and anyone comparing apples-to-apples for state returns b/w 2014 and 2015 can see the results.

I do think the unemployment situation could've been handled better but the GOP had every right to cease with long term benefits.

And yes, at the heart of all the policies (education) that forged NC into the economic spotlight were primarily driven by progressives and Dems with considerable support from moderate NC GOP who were willing to forego social issues or concerns to move the state forward. Now, it seems they are transfixed on this issues.

We should also give Obama credit for lowering the national unemployment rate, creating millions of jobs, etc but that would be the mainstream or liberal media showing bias...you can't have it both ways.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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Personal Liberty . com (It's really quite amusing to quote that site)

The Kochs and Pope own NC no matter what this clearly unbiased "news" source says. Even if it's true, it's written in a way to overshadow the biggest problem with that list. Contributions to Dems in NC right now is flushed away because they don't get any say in anything.

You're distracted from the problem I pointed at earlier in this thread. Special interests are the issue no matter who it is. Campaign finance period needs to be reformed so we can go back to getting real representation. So while you try to argue minor details, you're missing the big picture and foolishly believe these guys have you (their constituent) best interests in mind when it comes to the real decisions in the legislature.
You act as if the "contributor" do ALL the voting.

HINT, the PEOPLE do the voting.

If the people of any district don't like what their representative does or does NOT do, they can be voted out as in the 2010 and 2012 elections and MANY other times in history.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:47 AM
 
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You do realize that most of NC's economic engine was driven by those Dems/progressive policies due an extremely progressive education system that kept college tuition low (public education). It is/was a huge incentive for out of state students and businesses to consider setting up shop in NC. Now that's slowly being eroded because the new legislature has a distaste for those "luberoll" schools and teachings.

There isn't anything geographically or historically special about NC compared to VA or SC. They both have mountains and beaches. And actually, VA and SC have cities that are more historically prominent and relevant.

Don't destroy or disregard what has been the fundamental catalyst for NC's growth. Many in the legislative body are so hell-bent on sticking-it to luberolls they could care less about the negative consequences these policies could have on long term economic competitiveness.
NC's growth was mainly due to northerners retiring and moving in the state.

Brunswick County was, and is again, the fastest growing county in the state due to the retirees moving in.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Southport
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NC's growth was mainly due to northerners retiring and moving in the state.

Brunswick County was, and is again, the fastest growing county in the state due to the retirees moving in.
I don't believe your first statement is factually correct. I also don't think he means exclusively population growth. In any event, it takes attractive infrastructure and lifestyle to attract new residents. That infrastructure was created by democratic policies.
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:10 AM
 
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Did you even read what was written or bee-line directly into defense mode once you saw the name Koch Bros? No need to read and insert an ounce of thought. I know key words like "racism", "Koch", "Obama", etc are triggers for canned responses but try...just try to read, absorb, think, then think, then think again...then perhaps provide a coherent and thoughtful response.

Everybody knows both GOP and Dems have huge donors. My point was the national Dems didn't invest enough resources or monies to combat a formidable strategy primarily driven by national GOP funded sources. And the Koch Bros are one of those big piggy banks, feel free to insert another GOP source if that makes you feel better.

The NC Dems were in disarray and didn't receive nearly the national backing and got properly roasted during the elections. Campaign reform isn't going to change or alter the ability of special interest groups to heavily invest in campaigns. Both sides will find creative ways to circumvent any new restriction or guideline...plenty of people get paid to do that.

Whether politically left or right, the labeling of corruption or perception thereof took a heavy toll on NC Dems coupled with nationally funded GOP resources, the GOP had huge successes.
" My point was the national Dems didn't invest enough resources or monies to combat a formidable strategy primarily driven by national GOP funded sources."

Your "point" is false.

The dems traditionally OUT gain the repubs in campaign donations.

"Democratic donors are outspending Republicans by more than 50% in the closest-fought Senate races,"

"n particular, vulnerable Democratic incumbents such as senators Kay Hagan in North Carolina, Mark Begich in Alaska and Mary Landrieu in Louisiana are raising money at personal record rates, up by an average of 58% compared with the same period last time they ran for election.

"
Nevertheless, party strategists are citing their clear funding lead over the GOP in states such as North Carolina"

Democrats far outspending Republicans in 10 key Senate races, figures show | US news | The Guardian
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:23 AM
 
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I don't believe your first statement is factually correct. I also don't think he means exclusively population growth. In any event, it takes attractive infrastructure and lifestyle to attract new residents. That infrastructure was created by democratic policies.
"That infrastructure was created by democratic policies."

What specific infrastructure in Brunswick County.
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